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Old 03-27-2009, 08:06 AM   #16
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A siren call...

Fedora 10 might be more to your liking if you thought well of Centos. I use openSUSE. Both of these have the reputation of being well structured for general and personal use. Work has been done to make installation of packages easy and dependency problems as few as possible. Might you try again?

Do you feel enticed?

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Old 03-27-2009, 08:13 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by gemmun View Post
A pity the windows burner packages seem to have a problem finding the linux cdroms or I would use one of those.
Are you talking about burning Linux CDs from .iso files? Any decent CD burner that will burn from .iso will burn from ALL .iso files.
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One of the most interesting threads I have ever read. ;-)
Thank you very much to all the contributing people.
I think it's inescapable to become frustrated with a computer (or for that matter with anything else). Choose the environment of your frustration wisely, and get used to being frustrated as soon as possible.
As for me, I'm also new to Linux, so I can sympathize with gemmun, because ignorance is definately NOT bliss, but yeah, learn to live with it.
Old 03-27-2009, 10:59 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by gemmun View Post
Thanks Guys

I chose Centos because it had good reports - and it was a FREE download so no money to come back.
You are wrong here. There is no "FREE" involved. FREE is what you see with FREEware, in this case FREE is in bright neon colors and size 260 font and blinking psychedelically (enough to warrant a warning for those susceptible to photo-epileptic seizures). The free here is free as in freedom not FREE as in beer.

All GNU/Linux distro must be free (not FREE!) because they are FLOSS (free libre open source software), they must release the source to all programs licensed under on OSI approved license such as the GPL. Even Rehat EL is free, and you can get the sources, in fact this is exactly what CentOS does, it uses the sources to make a new distro.

So remember, FREE! does not equal free.
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There is a site that is good for finding the odd program or library package you may need:

If you use the advanced search, you can search for RPM packages for your particular distro.


If you were to locate and install a statically linked version of K3B or another program, there would be two disadvantages. Firstly, the program size would grow immensely. Both in terms of disk space and the memory used to load the same code in each program that used it. Secondly, you would need to track the libraries the package uses and re-download & install the entire package whenever one of the libraries has a security update.

If you stick with your main repository, and another one for media packages, you will have less problems. One of the thing that using a distro does for you is build packages using common library versions. Installing a 3rd party package often uses a different version, which uses different versions of the dependency libraries as well. This may be what you are seeing. Sticking with your distro's versions, you are less likely to need to update the libraries that you have already installed.
At first, you may have more dependencies, but as you install more packages afterwards, they may already be installed. Dependency issues settle down over time.
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I appreciate that the Linux community has its own ethos, and sweating over simple tasks seems to bring brownie points. BUT can anyone really defend a system that makes it so difficult to find something in 2009 which will burn an audio cd from mp3 files ? I think not.

There is no excuse from such a good OS and the very talented people who contribute to it. Come on folks don't tell me all that ability cannot do the equivalent of running abc.exe and getting an application up and running.

The posts so far, to a complete outsider, would look like an admission that Linux is a very difficult system for a newbie to even get a basic app running. Even my cat could get a Windows burner working - and it is a great shame that a community able to come up with something like WINE falls down on a simple small program. Too many distros and problems is not what a newbie should be exposed to. I solve Windows problems as they occur, and it is usually due to their crap way of doing things, but I only learned from apps going wrong. You have to have the thing working in the first pace for that.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to dump the Seattle monster, but Linux aint good enough yet. Windows has a head start only because IBM chose Microsoft 30 years ago in the days when IBM was king. Windows is a pig, but changing a pig for a wild boar is not a good exchange. The boar needs a lot of taming.

Perhaps if efforts had been concentrated more instead of dissipating across all those distros, things might be more reliable. Difficult, I know, because of the nature of the beast - no directing mind - and I admit Linux would not want a Bill Gates. But didn't he do well.
Old 03-27-2009, 01:11 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by gemmun View Post
I appreciate that the Linux community has its own ethos, and sweating over simple tasks seems to bring brownie points. BUT can anyone really defend a system that makes it so difficult to find something in 2009 which will burn an audio cd from mp3 files ? I think not.
Fair enough. Now move along like a good little Windows user.

Thanks for playing.
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I agree that Centos is not the best choice for a machine you want to use as your Desktop PC.. It's designed to run as a server, not to handle every piece of multimedia out there. It's going to be Far more work than say Fedora, Suse, or Ubuntu for instance. I think the first mistake was in the Distro you choose to start with.

I wouldn't install Windows Enterprise Server 2008 on my Home PC in order to play the latest games, and media.. I would install Windows XP or Windows 7 (Sorry I wouldn't install Vista on anyones Machine) I can introduce you to many people that are barely capable of running a Windows PC because it's 'so hard', so I don't find that to be a good excuse. 'It's to different from Windows and what I am used to' is a more accurate and honest answer.

Don't let me stop you from leaving. were not trying to force you into saying Linux is great, nor are we trying to sell anything, and we certainly don't make money from anything here. I'm just saying you can only get out of it what you put into it. If you aren't willing to spend the time to learn the system so you can operate it properly then it's probably not for you. There is nothing wrong with that, Linux is certainly not for everyone, nor is it the best solution for every task out there. Many people enjoy the challenge of learning a new system, it's quite amazing how many different OS's some people around here have worked on.

What I personally have found most rewarding is learning Linux and rediscovering that computing is FUN again, I lost that a while back as Microsoft continued to knock out yet another cookie cutter version of Windows with even more Wizards and hand-holding to prevent me from doing things the way I wanted to do them. I now have the freedom to do things the way I want, and there are thousands of great programs out there that you don't have to dump a ton of money to buy.. I rarely have to even consider buying software any more, and never waste a thought about pirating software because I can't afford it. It feels good not to have to worry about the BSA knocking down your door.

Have fun in the World of Windows Maybe come back and check us out in another two years or so.

And no need to defend burning a CD from mp3s.. aptitude install k3b and it works.. but then again I don't run Centos.

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Old 03-27-2009, 01:56 PM   #24
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You can read Linux MP3 CD Burning mini-HOWTO.

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@ gemmun

Just because you had a bad experience with a couple of distros doesn't mean that linux is this way. Some distros will install these codecs and libraries for you and others will require you to do it yourself.

linux Mint and PclinuxOS 2009 includes the essential codecs, including the plugins for your web browser, pre-install to play those media files. You can give these two distros a try.

If you still feel linux is too difficult to use then don't use it.

I'll be honest, I could care less if you want to use linux or not. Linux is not for everyone. But if you really want to use linux, ask for help the right way. Ranting and complaining about linux will get you nowhere.

- Cheers

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Old 03-27-2009, 04:37 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by dv502 View Post
Ranting and complaining about linux will get you nowhere.
Agreed. As a member said in response to a similar rant a while ago: "Don't feed the trolls".
Old 03-27-2009, 08:52 PM   #27
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If you're still with us, here's a little thought problem: How do you account for all the successful Linux users?
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I will still stand on my stance. CentOS is not the best desktop distribution. It is based on RHEL and is meant to be used on servers.
It will be much better if you switch to everyday desktop distribution like Ubuntu or Fedora or OpenSuse.
I will definitely advice Ubuntu since I have used it and know it is good for someone coming from Windows. (I switched to Ubuntu from RedHat) and I am happy with it. Has all the everyday needed applications out there in synaptic and is based on very dependable Debian.
And it is free as in free beer. They will ship a cd to your doorstep without costing you a single penny and you dont have to pay for the updates.

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