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complete noob completely lost

the story starts when i got a pile of crap lap top its really worthless as the battery does not hold a charge. The os (windows 7) was completely trashed, i then decided to install Kubuntu and eliminate my windows dependencies as well as learn some thing i have been curious about for a long time. Every thing install wise seemed to go just fine.

From this point i have my wireless all configured and browsing the Internet and all that great stuff, i then take a look at Muon Package Manager and begin browsing the games packages. I selected a few and began the download and install process.

I played a few games and got to one that crashes at the loading screen (Assault Cube), so i did some googeling and found a wiki page (http://wiki.cubers.net/action/view/Linux_Support ) that says to check the video drivers as well as run the game from Terminal....how do i do this?). This brings me to using the terminal/cmd prompt and all that good stuff.

I then ran a command lspci which reports the following:

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-nn | grep VGA

01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791f]

from here i pull up the ATI driver page and input my information into the drop box's which results in this page:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...2&lang=English

I then click the installer Instructions located on that page and this is where problems come in to play, some of the packages the instructions say to use I can not seem to locate using the search bar in Muon Package Manager such as XFree86-Mesa-libGL.

I also pulled up another guide here via google: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI

it mentions the following:

Quote:

The first thing to check for when you consider using the fglrx driver is whether your AMD/ATI graphics card is supported.

i used the above ATI driver page and i still have yet to know what the heck this fglrx driver is i see no mention of it.

i seem to be completely lost at getting my ATI driver to work properly and am a complete linux noob, so noob as a matter of fact that i seem to be having issues using the terminal for example and a little off topic, when i was trying to see my hardware configuration to see what video card i have in order to locate drivers i ran across the following:
http://taufanlubis.wordpress.com/200...nfo-in-ubuntu/

the install go's fine how ever when i type the hwinfo -help to see the list of commands i can use with hwinfo i get the following:

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family@family-eMachines-E625:~$ hwinfo -help

oops: don't know what to do with "help"

so ya this is apparently how noob i am no matter how familiar i am with cmd or dos in a windows program i seem to screw something minimal up here in linux

to any one that can make things more clear to me on what exactly im trying to do and how to do it i would greatly appreciate the help and thank you for taking the time to read a poor poor linux noobs post lol

The fglrx is the kernel module name for ATI card, it is the driver name

The Radeon X1200 is not supported anymore by the ATI/AMD drivers, you have to use the open source radeon drivers, which most likely will already be installed and in use on your system.

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Originally Posted by Cedrik (Post 4535335)

The fglrx is the kernel module name for ATI card, it is the driver name

ok so im assuming that is what is included in the download at that site then?

why does all this seem confusing, is it just because im unfamiliar with it or am i just making it harder than it is?

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Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 4535338)

The Radeon X1200 is not supported anymore by the ATI/AMD drivers, you have to use the open source radeon drivers, which most likely will already be installed and in use on your system.

so by not supported any more does that mean the driver name/file still exists some where in an older form and if so is it just not recommended to use older propitiatory drivers?

whats the advantage of the open source drivers?

to me it would seem that propitiatory drivers would have an advantage over the open source drivers

What happen when you attempt to install the proprietary driver

eg..

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1. Launch the Terminal Application/Window and navigate to the ATI Propri-
etary Linux driver download.
2. Enter the command sh ./ati-driver-installer-9.3-x86.x86_64.run to launch the
ATI Proprietary Linux driver installer.

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Originally Posted by korn_16_f_t_l (Post 4535340)

so by not supported any more does that mean the driver name/file still exists some where in an older form and if so is it just not recommended to use older propitiatory drivers?

While you should still be able to download those older drivers most likely they will not work with newer versions of the X server or the kernel.

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whats the advantage of the open source drivers?

They support your card.

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Originally Posted by Cedrik (Post 4535395)

What happen when you attempt to install the proprietary driver

eg..

have not done this will try and report back shortly

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Originally Posted by korn_16_f_t_l (Post 4535446)

have not done this will try and report back shortly

Do not do that. All it will do is make a mess that you will have to clean up later.

Stick with the open source drivers that came with your distribution.

Adam

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Originally Posted by Cedrik (Post 4535395)

What happen when you attempt to install the proprietary driver

eg..

Please do not advise that. The last version of the drivers to support that GPU were released in March of 2009. Only distributions from around that time will work with those drivers.

Adam

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Originally Posted by adamk75 (Post 4535467)

Please do not advise that. The last version of the drivers to support that GPU were released in March of 2009. Only distributions from around that time will work with those drivers.

Adam

its all good i just figured out how to get folders open any how... lol. Any ways back to the problem i am trying to solve than, why is the assault cube game crashing at the loading screen, and how do i get the program to load via terminal so i can see what the issue is as the wiki i linked above recommends?

i know it seems silly to fret about a crashing game but if i cant figure this out with a game what will i do when a more serious issue arrives.

Well, do you know how to bring up a terminal? There should be an option for it under the kubuntu menu somewhere. I don't know the binary name for Assault Cube, but it's probably something like 'assaultcube' :-) Type 'assault' and then the tab key. See if it finds the binary. Launch it and see if it fails to start, and what error(s) it gives.

While you have the terminal open, run 'glxinfo' and copy and paste the output into a post here. Be sure to use [code][/code] tags around the output.

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Originally Posted by adamk75 (Post 4535587)

ya i can get to the terminal navigating it and things like that is a bit rough for me ill get back with ya once i figure out how to type the commands and such to do as you requested :D

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Originally Posted by adamk75 (Post 4535587)

ok well this is completely odd.....when i was first having issues with the game i was loading it from the games tab on the GUI and it fails i types assu then hit tab assaultcube came up as an option and by force of habbit hit enter and oddly enough the game loaded to the menu and was playable with out a hitch

just for reference and in case something im not seeing is wrong i will still put what comes up in the terminal and it is as follows:

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family@family-eMachines-E625:~/Documents$ assaultcube

Using home directory: /home/family/.assaultcube_v1.104

current locale: en_US.UTF-8

init: sdl

init: net

init: world

init: video: sdl

init: video: mode

init: video: misc

init: gl

Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RS690 (X.Org R300 Project)

Driver: 2.1 Mesa 7.11

init: console

init: sound

ALSA lib pcm.c:2212:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.rear

ALSA lib pcm.c:2212:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.center_lfe

ALSA lib pcm.c:2212:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.side

ALSA lib audio/pcm_bluetooth.c:1613:(audioservice_expect) BT_GET_CAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)

ALSA lib audio/pcm_bluetooth.c:1613:(audioservice_expect) BT_GET_CAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)

ALSA lib audio/pcm_bluetooth.c:1613:(audioservice_expect) BT_GET_CAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)

ALSA lib audio/pcm_bluetooth.c:1613:(audioservice_expect) BT_GET_CAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)

ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:957:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream

Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory

Cannot connect to server socket

jack server is not running or cannot be started

Audio devices: PulseAudio Default, ALSA Default, PortAudio Default

Sound: PulseAudio Default / OpenAL Soft (OpenAL Community)

Driver: 1.1 ALSOFT 1.13

init: cfg

init: models

init: docs

init: localconnect

read map packages/maps/official/ac_complex.cgz rev 3 (207 milliseconds)

Industrial Zone - by makkE

loaded textures (424 milliseconds)

loaded mapmodels (515 milliseconds)

loaded mapsounds (1017 milliseconds)

game mode is "TDM"

init: mainloop

Welcome to AssaultCube

Developed by 'Rabid Viper Productions'



Use the below menu to change some necessary settings...



Further help & information can be found in your README, which is inside your AssaultCube directory.

writing to file: /home/family/.assaultcube_v1.104/config/init.cfg

writing to file: /home/family/.assaultcube_v1.104/config/servers.cfg

writing to file: /home/family/.assaultcube_v1.104/config/saved.cfg

after the successful load from the terminal i attempted another load from the games tab in the GUI and it still crashes what could be broken to cause this and how do i fix it as broken short cuts can be rather annoying

I have no idea how to track down this problem. I rarely use KDE's menus.

Adam

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Originally Posted by adamk75 (Post 4536550)

I have no idea how to track down this problem. I rarely use KDE's menus.

Adam

lol a GNOME user? or just all command line?