complete newbie questions...
Well I'm getting into learning Linux, and hopefully installing Mint tomorrow morning. I'll double boot with Vista and thinking of keeping the GRUB bootloader as I believe this will also boot Vista?
While reading about the various distributions, I've noticed that they don't all come with the latest software, and some come with barely any. Now, if I want to add or get the latest version of software...is this possible? I know this sounds like a crazy question...but I'm a newbie of all newbies. I'm guessing that like Windows, various software can be installed regardless of what the distribution comes with? Also having a hard time understand what is KDE and GNOME. All I read is reviews, but I don't really know WHAT they are, and why that makes a difference. Ubuntu seems to have a lot of support. Will this support apply to the Mint distribution? I'm really looking forward to learning Linux on a simple OS...but didn't really like the look and feel of Ubuntu from the images I saw online. I like the look of Fedora but wanted something that had codecs from the start. I'd also be open to SUSE as I have it on DVD from a magazine I picked up, LXF. Any thoughts appreciated, Julien |
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I hope this helps, if you have any more questions feel free to post again on this topic. Welcome to the linux community! |
Well, who cares about looks. It's not as if we are talking about windows. :eek: Ubuntu tends to be pretty mundane out of the box, but like any other distro, you can customize to your heart's content: move menus, change wallpapers, change colours and icons, install applets and/or a dock, etc. Of course, if you find a distro that you like straightaway, then you may as well install that one.
Mint is based on Ubuntu so it should have one the largest collections of software - but as I have never used it, I prefer to be tentative. Installing software, by the way, is a piece of cake: you simply select applications from a menu, click a button, done. Yes, the bootloader will boot vista, too. However, if you are going to install to the same drive, it is going to overwrite the master boot record (MBR), which implies that if at any time you decide to remove linux, vista will not be able to boot anymore. This is easily fixed, though, as long as you have a windows install cd/dvd. Oh yeah, one of the major differences between KDE and Gnome: the latter has a sparser interface. KDE applications tend to have menu items for about any option you could ever think of. While some like it, I think it is rather overwhelming. But you can install KDE on a distro that has Gnome and the other way round; after all, they are just sets of applications. |
You may also want to check out Full Circle Magazine. It's got a lot of helpful tips for beginners learning Linux, especially for those who use Ubuntu (or Ubuntu-based distros like Mint)
http://fullcirclemagazine.org/ |
Since you are interested in different desktop environments, you might want to go with a distro that isn't based on only one.
Fedora, SuSE and Mandriva come to mind. Another boot option is to use windows loader to chainload Linux. This can be safer if you are afraid of screwing up the MBR. If you google for "Linux NT Dual boot boot.ini" you should find several pages with instructions. I would recommend defragging the Vista partition and then using the Vista partitioner to size down it's own partition. I had to fix up both filesystems after resizing Vista. I forgot to defrag and vista was too greedy with the amount of diskspace it would free up. Using gparted to get more space caused problems for me. Recovering wasn't hard though. I just needed to let Vista scan the disk, and in Linux run fsck on the Linux partition. |
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Here is another great site for getting started with Ubuntu. It will also be apply to Mint also: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/ Also check out Herman's site. He has a lot of good info on dual booting, plus a great grub tutorial: http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/ |
The choice of distribution is only relevant if have a specific goal for using Linux. Running a firewall server like Smoothwall Linux is completely different from running a Linux system specialized in Sound Editing. If your interest is generic, then it will be mainly irrelevant where you start. Any contemporary distro will give a reasonable headstart.
Simply start out with Mint, if you are already focused on that, and everything else will fall into place. If you want to try other distributions, then get their LiveCD's, so that you can have a look without having to install to disk each time. KDE and Gnome are window managers, also called desktop environments. Windows and Macintosh systems usually provide a single desktop environment, Linux and UNIX systems have a lot. Other options are XFCE, fluxbox, WindowMaker, twm. All of these have their areas where they shine. |
Just install (any version of) Linux and some questions will get answered automatically.
Mint is a very good choice---anything in the top 5-10 at http://distrowatch.com will be fine. |
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Without seriously using it, I don't think you could get any idea of Ubuntu "look and feel" on a deep enough level to have meaningful differences from any other distribution with GNOME. I don't happen to know the default desktop in MINT. I think you would prefer KDE. A Linux desktop does what the desktop, start button, task bar, and related GUI features do in Windows. In Windows it is possible (but unusual) to substitute a different program in place of the part of explorer.exe that acts as desktop. So people think of the Windows desktop as part of the OS. In Linux there is a wide choice of desktop programs. Compared to the Windows Desktop, I think you would find KDE a little bit sparse and missing features. But any other Linux desktop would seem very sparse and missing features. Linux desktop programs aren't designed to be as big a part of the UI as the Windows desktop. In Windows, the same program (explorer.exe) acts as both a desktop and a file browser, giving you very seamless integration between the two. It also tries very hard (with annoying consequences in my opinion) to provide seamless integration with the web browser. In KDE, the desktop program isn't a full file browser. With KDE, distributions normally provide Konqueror, which is a file browser, a web browser, a help browser and a few other things. I prefer to use Firefox as a web browser, and (unlike Windows explorer.exe) Konqueror used as just a file browser will act as just a file browser and won't do any undesired transfers to the web browser. |
Thanks for all the great and prompt info!
I think I will try Ubuntu for now as there seems to be lots of newbie support for the OS everywhere I look. Like many have mentioned, I can always switch later. For now I want to learn the basics, such as a few shell commands, file structure and management, and management packages (and getting new software). So if the Kernel is generally the same, or the "linux" proper, and the desktop environments vary such as KDE, GNOME and others, where lies the differences in the various distributions? What is "changed" in order to make Fedora or Ubuntu different? As for the look, I really dislike any brown or caramel colors on my computer. Call me silly, but it's just me. So my question is this: Can it be customized to the point that the background is a wallpaper of mine and the color theme is not brown? If so, then I'll be happy. So once I install Ubuntu, what is the procedure for getting all the codecs? I'm going to defrag and resize my HD using the vista tools. I have my HD backed up on my external HD just in case. Cheers, J |
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The various distributions differ often in the locations where they install certain applications and how they deal with configuration files. Another big field of differences is in the type and arrangement of the GUI administration tools. And of course logotypes, icons and art work is usually individual for each distro.
Core UNIX tools are usually quite the same. And by sticking to a specific window manager you will get quite the same behaviour on different distro's. |
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Many Debian based distributions include Synaptic in the initial install (because most beginners should use it) but then fail to tell beginners they should use Synaptic for adding, updating or removing software. I don't recall what Ubuntu does for that, but now you've been told. Quote:
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If you find my clothing analogy confusing, then disregard it. All I'm saying is there is more choice in Linux regarding desktop environments. Quote:
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Anyway, good luck. |
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