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Old 01-17-2017, 06:25 PM   #16
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:06 PM   #17
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When recuperating the data from an infected computer with a Ubuntu key, I scan the data with GDATA anti virus AND MALAWARE MALABYTE anti spyware, this is the best protection I know about.

If my problem is not hibernation then why my Windows partition is not accessible when booting with a linux key?

I know my Windows partition is not readable when I boot from linux on my hard disk (dual boot)
I also know the XP system partition is readable when booting with my linux key ( an old computer I have)

I have access to a Windows 7 computer at work, I guess I will try to read the Windows partition after booting from my linux key on that computer.

I'm afraid to find bootable utilities on the internet, I don't want to catch a virus.
I also don't know about bootable anti virus software.

I should also learn about protected or legacy mode.
 
Old 01-17-2017, 07:40 PM   #18
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If my problem is not hibernation then why my Windows partition is not accessible when booting with a linux key?
I'm still not certain that isn't the problem, but it seems that way since you say you did a "restart" and that you have not received any errors when trying to access the Windows partition. Ubuntu will typically report an error about hibernation.


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I know my Windows partition is not readable when I boot from linux on my hard disk (dual boot)
I also know the XP system partition is readable when booting with my linux key ( an old computer I have)
You say both your hard drive and your USB version of Ubuntu is 14.04, and both of them fail to see your Windows partition. I suggested in post #3 that you try a newer version instead. Actually, a newer version of anything... Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Linux Lite, Debian... just something more modern. Ubuntu 14.04 released in April 2014. Windows 10 released in July 2015. So the Ubuntu developers in 2014 did not know anything about Windows 10 and how to deal with it, except for the similarities with Windows 8 and 8.1 (where hibernation was also a problem).

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I have access to a Windows 7 computer at work, I guess I will try to read the Windows partition after booting from my linux key on that computer.
I have a feeling that will work for you, just as XP works for you.

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I should also learn about protected or legacy mode.
There is much I need to learn yet too. Perhaps the trouble you're having is a UEFI/Legacy issue, but again I think a more modern Linux would help with that as well.
 
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:45 PM   #19
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I think finally this will be the solution, I will at least upgrade to Ubuntu 16, fun ahead...

Anyway thank you to all for your'e time.

Bruno
 
Old 01-17-2017, 09:39 PM   #20
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check to see if that live usb got ntfs-3 in it so that it can read windows ntfs, and set up windows power settings turning off hibernation and hybrid in the advanced settings under power settings?
 
Old 01-18-2017, 10:44 AM   #21
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I have a second hard disk with 1 ntfs partition and when I boot with my linux key the partition is readable.
I will check for the hibernation suggestion, thank you.
Today I will also try to read a Windows 7 partition on another computer at work, I don't know if hibernation issues are also a problem with Windows 7.
I didn't know about ntfs 3 , since when ntfs 3 was introduced?
 
Old 01-18-2017, 10:52 AM   #22
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I have a second hard disk with 1 ntfs partition and when I boot with my linux key the partition is readable.
I will check for the hibernation suggestion, thank you.
Today I will also try to read a Windows 7 partition on another computer at work, I don't know if hibernation issues are also a problem with Windows 7.
I didn't know about ntfs 3 , since when ntfs 3 was introduced?
About 2007 after a fork from the Linux NTFS kit. The full name is ntfs-3g

Many distributions include it by default, but not all and it may depend on how the installation is done. Partial/recovery installs may not include it.

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Old 01-18-2017, 12:40 PM   #23
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Also, Windows can be set to encrypt drives. If it is encrypted, this can pose a problem when trying to auto mount.
You didn't respond to Brains, so I thought I'd ask this again: is your Windows 10 partition encrypted?

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I think finally this will be the solution, I will at least upgrade to Ubuntu 16, fun ahead...
Well, just do the USB key first to see if it works... that's a simple test. If this is a ntfs-3g problem, maybe the newer Ubuntu will take care of that. But it strikes me as odd that your current setup would read NTFS on XP, but not 10. Again, it may be a difference in the age of each of these OS'es.

You can test for the presence of ntfs-3g from the command line:
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which ntfs-3g
I'm using Linux Lite (an Ubuntu derivative), and the command responds that ntfs-3g is in the /bin directory. I access Windows 7 with no problems, but I don't have Windows 10 to test.
 
Old 01-18-2017, 07:49 PM   #24
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I have Ubuntu 14.04 Live on a flash drive which I booted and had no problem accessing any of the ntfs/vfat partitions on either hard drive and could write to them. Your problems is either hibernation or a corrupted filesystem, both of which you will need to fix from windows. You will probably need your windows installation DVD with the repair option unless you can find some windows recovery software online.
 
Old 01-19-2017, 07:21 AM   #25
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Is the clue in the word HIDDEN??
 
Old 01-19-2017, 12:33 PM   #26
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Sorry to brains,

My drive is not encrypted and I did analyse my disk and Nothing wrong was reported, Windows and all applications are working fine.

If ntfs3 was introduced in 2007, linux 14.04 should read it I would assume.
 
Old 01-19-2017, 01:01 PM   #27
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I disabled fast boot and did a cold shutdown.
The drive is still not accessible from Ubuntu booting from my hard drive.
I checked my drive with system mechanic.
I upgraded Windows to version 10 in last july from version 7 and I remember I could read the drive from Ubuntu before upgrading to 10.
I will try a Windows repair to check the file system integrity
 
Old 01-19-2017, 05:42 PM   #28
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Hey Bruno - my guess is that your Windows session is not properly closed when your try to access it via Linux. As several others have mentioned, in Win 10 you must choose "Restart" when shutting down and never "Shut down". The Shut Down command will hibernate the system whereas Restart really does shut it down (I know ... not intuitive ...). If it's not that, it's probably (again, as several have mentioned ...), the file-system driver missing from your Linux session (ntfs-3g).
 
Old 01-19-2017, 06:12 PM   #29
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That would only affect the Windows system files and perhaps any user data file that it happened to have open and locked. Also I rather suspect he would find it difficult to run a different OS on the same machine with the first in that state. Trying to reboot the machine would likely restart the suspended one.
I haven't tried it so I may be wrong, but it would be extremely dangerous to allow that to happen.
 
Old 01-19-2017, 08:04 PM   #30
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That would only affect the Windows system files and perhaps any user data file that it happened to have open and locked. Also I rather suspect he would find it difficult to run a different OS on the same machine with the first in that state. Trying to reboot the machine would likely restart the suspended one.
I haven't tried it so I may be wrong, but it would be extremely dangerous to allow that to happen.
Hey Dave - not to be argumentative, but I can confirm from personal experience that a hibernated Windows system will make it impossible to mount the entire Windows partition from a Linux session. This will not affect the ability to boot another OS on the same computer and furthermore, rebooting the computer from any other OS will have no effect whatsoever on the hibernation state of the Windows session. The only way of "resetting" the Windows session and making the partition mountable from Linux is to boot back into the Windows system and shut it down by choosing "Restart". ... Again, all this from personal experience: 3 of my current computers are set up to boot both Linux (Arch - my main system) and Windows 10.

Cheers :-)

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