BSD or Gentoo??

knockout_artist · 02-07-2008, 11:39 PM

Good Day,

I want to install a new flavour of linux on my machine.

BSD::
I have installed freebsd few times, never used it for over a day or so. I liked they it was so small and fast to install.

Gentoo::
I have only hears about. I read few notes about it I liked the way kernel is complied. Making system more efficient from beginning.

Which one should I go for??

Thanks.

Pearlseattle · 02-08-2008, 12:59 AM

It's always too hard to answer to these kind of questions.
Try to see what you would like to have and check which OS would best satisfy your wishes.
Actually, as I am a happy Gentoo user, it would be nice if somebody would explain me what would be the advantages of freebsd compared to Gentoo. More stable software (but on the other side perhaps less software available)?
Thx

H_TeXMeX_H · 02-08-2008, 09:09 AM

If you want something in-between those two try Slackware ... it's actually right there in-between the two

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knockout_artist · 02-08-2008, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H

If you want something in-between those two try Slackware ... it's actually right there in-between the two

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Thank you.
But I want to pick one extreme rather then some thing in the middle.

Pearlseattle
So bsd has less software available.
hmmm

Interesting.

Emerson · 02-08-2008, 09:46 AM

FreeBSD and Gentoo both are source-based. This means to take full advantage of it you must master your own make.conf with optimization for your CPU and likings. Most people disable some debugging features, etc. Below is the make.conf from my FBSD box.
Then you rebuild the whole base system before you start installing any software. Sorry, but if you say FreeBSD installed fast then you don't know much about the whole thing.

Code:

CPUTYPE=c3
# ports
.if ${.CURDIR:M*/ports/*}
    CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -s -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer
    CXXFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -s -funroll-loops
    WRKDIRPREFIX= ${PORTSDIR}/obj
.endif

# base
.if ${.CURDIR:M*/usr/src/*} || ${.CURDIR:M*/usr/obj/*}
    CFLAGS+= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -s
    CXXFLAGS+= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -s
    COPTFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -s
#   MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj
# ccache for base
    CC=/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world-cc
    CXX=/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world-c++
.endif

NO_INET6="YES"
WITHOUT_X11="YES"
NO_PROFILE="YES"
NO_BLUETOOTH="YES"
NO_I4B="YES"
KERNCONF=TURTLE2-2
MODULES_OVERRIDE=acpi sound

# added by use.perl 2007-11-09 21:26:43
PERL_VER=5.8.8
PERL_VERSION=5.8.8

knockout_artist · 02-08-2008, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerson

FreeBSD and Gentoo both are source-based. This means to take full advantage of it you must master your own make.conf with optimization for your CPU and likings. Most people disable some debugging features, etc. Below is the make.conf from my FBSD box.
Then you rebuild the whole base system before you start installing any software. Sorry, but if you say FreeBSD installed fast then you don't know much about the whole thing.

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Thanks Mr. Guru for encouraging remarks!!

Emerson · 02-08-2008, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knockout_artist

Thanks Mr. Guru for encouraging remarks!!

Encouraging? Do I smell sarcasm here?
I'm not a guru nor do I pretend to be one. If some operating systems work as intended only in experienced hands then sorry, it certainly isn't my fault.

knockout_artist · 02-08-2008, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerson

Encouraging? Do I smell sarcasm here?
I'm not a guru nor do I pretend to be one. If some operating systems work as intended only in experienced hands then sorry, it certainly isn't my fault.

dude!
I don't know what expert is,
I have build working OS from binary files.
I have also build working OS on 28mb chip.

I think I can handle some level of difficulty.

I didn't want to hurt any one's feeling by saying "I am going to put my hands on the thing which meant to be for chosen ones"

People do need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reddazz · 02-08-2008, 10:07 AM

Quote:

FreeBSD and Gentoo both are source-based.

Strictly speaking, FreeBSD gives you the choice to build packages from source or use prebuilt ones if you desire. You don't even need to tinker with /etc/make.conf unless you want to.

Emerson · 02-08-2008, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knockout_artist

dude!
I don't know what expert is,

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Quote:

I have build working OS from binary files.

Sure.

Quote:

I have also build working OS on 28mb chip.

No you didn't, 28 mb is twenty eight millibits. Less than nothing, you cannot break bits into thousands.

Quote:

I think I can handle some level of difficulty.

Good! But before handling difficulties one should acknowledge them,

Quote:

I didn't want to hurt any one's feeling by saying "I am going to put my hands on the thing which meant to be for chosen ones"

No such intentions, hope bringing you down to the Earth didn't hurt you?

Emerson · 02-08-2008, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddazz

Strictly speaking, FreeBSD gives you the choice to build packages from source or use prebuilt ones if you desire. You don't even need to tinker with /etc/make.conf unless you want to.

Out of curiosity, have you tried to run FBSD using prebuilt binaries? I was under impression nobody, including developers, takes this option seriously?

knockout_artist · 02-08-2008, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerson

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Sure.

No you didn't, 28 mb is twenty eight millibits. Less than nothing, you cannot break bits into thousands.

Good! But before handling difficulties one should acknowledge them,

No such intentions, hope bringing you down to the Earth didn't hurt you?

Its good to learn some communication skills too.

I wonder where the mods are. Why such nasty behavior is allowed on the forum.

NOW GIVE ME YOU EMAIL i SEND YOU A FILE SYSTEM
1-TAKES off FROM LESS THEN 12MB
USE customized FILE SYSTEM consist ONLY
2- /
3-/dev/only 6 to 7 nodes
4- /bin/busybox(ONLY)
Open up file system in memory(no hard disk used)
whole file system is gziped---so support for unzipping a zipped fs is added to the kernel along with loopback.
linsys is used on the boot sector to get system up.

Now would you allow me to install BSD????????????????????????????????

Emerson · 02-08-2008, 10:52 AM

Look, I do not care what you do there. I was merely trying to point out you have to get deeper into this FBSD. If you can enjoy binary install, good. If you are such a big expert, again, good for you. This forum here is to discuss Linux matters, not your personality problems.
This is my last response here, have a good day now. Make sure you take your daily medicine, you seem somewhat out of sorts.

knockout_artist · 02-08-2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerson

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No you didn't, 28 mb is twenty eight millibits. Less than nothing, you cannot break bits into thousands.

Kindly explain.
how the router you use at your home runs an OS on it running firewall-dhcp-ftp etc, while it has usually less the 28mb in some cases.

Have you ever heard about RTOs, or embedded linux??? usually you only pick the part whcih you would be using rather than conventional heavyweight File-system.

My point is: no need to disrespect ppl if they sound like, the way you want them to sound like.

Peace.

dv502 · 02-08-2008, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knockout_artist

Good Day,

I want to install a new flavour of linux on my machine.

BSD::
I have installed freebsd few times, never used it for over a day or so. I liked they it was so small and fast to install.

Gentoo::
I have only hears about. I read few notes about it I liked the way kernel is complied. Making system more efficient from beginning.

Which one should I go for??

Thanks.

I've used freebsd and openbsd in the past and they both do better jobs on the server side of things. On the desktop side, it's still behind linux.

Only you can determined which OS will give you the most or least out of it by testing. Do a dual boot of freebsd and linux and see which is easier to setup in terms of services and desktop usage.