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Old 04-01-2012, 02:21 PM   #16
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yancek If it was working fine before, you should have seen the name and/or logo of the system when booting.

Name and logo of what 'system' ? I have provided the name of the 'system'. It is Linux OS 'Gnome'.

I have registered under 'Newbie'. 'System' to me in computers means 'operating system.'

My computer was working fine, then I closed down and did not use that computer for a week or so as I had another 'notebook'. It was when I came to open up again that I had the problem of failed boot.

I had not downloaded anything, but there must have the odd update as they are automatic.
 
Old 04-01-2012, 05:29 PM   #17
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When you boot your computer, you should see a name of the distriubtion of Linux. Common ones are Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Opensuse, etc.. As indicated above, Gnome is not an operating system. You could go to the distrowatch link below and scroll down and look on the right for "Page Hit Ranking" which contains a list of the 100 most popular Linux systems according to their standards. See if anything looks familiar:

http://distrowatch.com/

Different methods for resolving your problem are likely to be required depending upon the distribution.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 04:33 AM   #18
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When you boot your computer, you should see a name of the distriubtion of Linux. Common ones are Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Opensuse, etc.. As indicated above, Gnome is not an operating system. You could go to the distrowatch link below and scroll down and look on the right for "Page Hit Ranking" which contains a list of the 100 most popular Linux systems according to their standards. See if anything looks familiar:

http://distrowatch.com/

Different methods for resolving your problem are likely to be required depending upon the distribution.
It is as described by me LINUX OS Gnome 2010.11

There is even a Video on Youtube describing this system. (my dated version) ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH3BHbeIGkA)

It uses a black footprint as a symbol (trade mark.)


From your link I copied this. (This appears (from date) a later version than mine)

2012-04-01 Development Release: GNOME 4.0 Beta
The GNOME project has announced the availability of the first beta release of GNOME 4.0, a new major version of the popular open-source desktop environment. Some of the new features include unified look & feel across a wide range of devices, simplified user interface, and much improved front-end with focus on accessibility. Robert Storey has an in-depth review (with screenshots) in First Look at GNOME 4 - the Future of Portability: "One glance at the following screenshot and I think that all will agree that the GNOME developers have really outdone themselves this time. It's obvious that they've given the whole 'desktop' metaphor a complete rethink. Gone are menus, icons, task bars, minimize and maximize buttons, the archaic Start button, wallpapers or even a command prompt. Rather, we are presented with a pleasant default blue screen (note that the color is non-configurable). It is the bold simplicity of this approach that makes GNOME 4 so powerful. Read the rest of this exclusive special report to find out more about the improvements in GNOME 4 and to see some early screenshots of the brand-new desktop.

Thanks for your trying help
 
Old 04-02-2012, 10:16 AM   #19
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It is as described by me LINUX OS Gnome 2010.11

From your link I copied this. (This appears (from date) a later version than mine)

2012-04-01 Development Release: GNOME 4.0 Beta
The GNOME project has announced the availability of the first beta release of GNOME 4.0, a new major version of the popular open-source desktop environment.
As stated, even in your own post, Gnome is a desktop environment not the Operating System.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 11:13 AM   #20
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Sorry you guys for my ignorance. I'm beginning to wish I had never heard of Linux. I do not know what makes a 'desk top environment' as opposed to a system. Are you saying then that this GNOME could be used by any Linux system?

I downloaded the disc I was given. Incidentally, all that is written on the label is how I have expressed it in my post. The disc allows me to open the Linux Gnome on there if the disc remains in situ (can't take it out until I close down). I can also access the internet via my wifi, while the new download is installed and open.

When the disc is removed, and I attempt to boot, the old download remains, untouched, and continues to boot up 'failed'.

I am trying to contact the person who installled Linux for me to see if he will supply me with the info. No luck at present. He is retired and goes away at times - and it is almost Easter.

I do want to thank all those who have been trying to help. It is appreciated. In some cases I see it is 'hands across the sea'. (I am in London).

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Old 04-02-2012, 11:59 AM   #21
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The link you posted just explains what is available with the Gnome Desktop Environment in the Linux distribution called PCLinuxOS. From your earlier post, it seems you have just downloaded the Gnome Desktop Environment. If you had PCLinuxOS installed, you would see that name when you boot your computer. Do you see that?

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I do not know what makes a 'desk top environment' as opposed to a system
An operating system is the software which allows the hardware to function and the Desktop Environment is only a part of it. Google Linux Desktop Environment or Gnome Desktop and you will get many sites to get information on it.

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Are you saying then that this GNOME could be used by any Linux system?
Yes.

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I downloaded the disc I was given
???Did you download it yourself? or was it given to you??

Just as a guess, I'm thinking you may have had some distribution of Linux installed and downloaded the Gnome Desktop (or had it given to you?) thinking that it was another Linux distribution and have tried or are trying to install it as an operating system which, of course will not work because it is not an operating system.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 01:17 PM   #22
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I'm beginning to wish I had never heard of Linux.
Don't give up, IMHO you should download a linux distro and install it, then go from there. Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Debian, are a few you could try, it's not that difficult, and you will learn.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 02:35 PM   #23
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???Did you download it yourself? or was it given to you??

Just as a guess, I'm thinking you may have had some distribution of Linux installed and downloaded the Gnome Desktop (or had it given to you?) thinking that it was another Linux distribution and have tried or are trying to install it as an operating system which, of course will not work because it is not an operating system.[/QUOTE]

My original installation was done by someone else whom I am trying to contact, as explained, to get the 'root password' required to perform the 'FSCK' on the failed boot (hoping this may resolve the problem without reinstall where I would lose my downloaded 'pics'.

Some time ago I did get from the installer this CD Disk which he told me would re-install the system if it were necessary.

This is the one I referred to in my last post that I slipped in the cd drive hoping it might repair the damaged files causing the failed boot.

As explained, it downloads, and it permits me to access the internet via my wifi supplied by AOL. (which I have on another laptop with MSWindows.)

It willl not let me remove the disc once the system is 'open'. When I shut down and remove the CD then only the original installation attempts to boot up until it reaches 'failed'.

Am I to understand you are saying that it is possible to download this 'GNOME' 'Desktop Envoronment' without
having one of the Linux Operating Systems like UBUNTU installed? I mean, I can't see any difference between
the desktop environment and an operating system. It has all the basics, so it appears, that an operating system has. I can access the internet via 'Firefox', install photos, and I believe I could add more 'aps' to expand the desk top.

What I am saying, or trying to, is that if I did not want to access photos downloaded on my original installation, I would just download myself this 'GMOME' disc. The only problem I would have, unless there is something that can be done is, if I wanted to play DVD. Reason being, I cannot open the CD drive slot while the GNOME disc is in and the system 'open' and operating.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 02:45 PM   #24
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???Did you download it yourself? or was it given to you??

Just as a guess, I'm thinking you may have had some distribution of Linux installed and downloaded the Gnome Desktop (or had it given to you?) thinking that it was another Linux distribution and have tried or are trying to install it as an operating system which, of course will not work because it is not an operating system.[/QUOTE]


My original installation was done by someone else whom I am trying to contact, as explained, to get the 'root password' required to perform the 'FSCK' on the failed boot (hoping this may resolve the problem without reinstall where I would lose my downloaded 'pics'.

Some time ago I did get from the installer this CD Disk which he told me would re-install the system if it were necessary.

This is the one I referred to in my last post that I slipped in the cd drive hoping it might repair the damaged files causing the failed boot.

As explained, it downloads, and it permits me to access the internet via my wifi supplied by AOL. (which I have on another laptop with MSWindows.)

It willl not let me remove the disc once the system is 'open'. When I shut down and remove the CD then only the original installation attempts to boot up until it reaches 'failed'.

Am I to understand you are saying that it is possible to download this 'GNOME' 'Desktop Envoronment' without
having one of the Linux Operating Systems like UBUNTU installed? I mean, I can't see any difference between
the desktop environment and an operating system. It has all the basics, so it appears, that an operating system has. I can access the internet via 'Firefox', install photos, and I believe I could add more 'aps' to expand the desk top.

What I am saying, or trying to, is that if I did not want to access photos downloaded on my original installation, I would just download myself this 'GMOME' disc. The only problem I would have, unless there is something that can be done is, if I wanted to play DVD. Reason being, I cannot open the CD drive slot while the GNOME disc is in and the system 'open' and operating.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 03:33 PM   #25
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Some time ago I did get from the installer this CD Disk which he told me would re-install the system if it were necessary.
When you say "installer" above, are you referring to the human being who sold/gave you the CD?
What you describe above would commonly be referred to as an installation or Live CD. A Live CD can be placed in the CD drive, the computer boots from the CD drive and you are able to use it in much the same manner as an actual installed operating system. You should also be able to use it to install the operating system. In most cases, there will be an Install icon on the Desktop after it is booted.

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As explained, it downloads, and it permits me to access the internet via my wifi supplied by AOL
"it downloads"?? Do you mean you are booting the computer with the CD? Download usually refers to getting some type of software from another source, usually on the internet.

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It willl not let me remove the disc once the system is 'open'.
That would be expected behavior using a Live/Install CD.

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Am I to understand you are saying that it is possible to download this 'GNOME' 'Desktop Envoronment' without
having one of the Linux Operating Systems like UBUNTU installed?
You could download it, I suppose even to a windows machine. I don't know, I've never tried it. If you did download it and did NOT have any Linux operating system on the computer, it wouldn't function.

There is a big difference between a Desktop Environment and an operating system. A desktop environment is dependent upon an operating system. I would suggest you google "what is gnome desktop" and "what is a Linux operating system" as well as Linux Live CD so you understand what these things are.

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I can access the internet via 'Firefox', install photos, and I believe I could add more 'aps' to expand the desk top.
Is the above quote referring to when you have the CD in the drive? If so, again that is expected behavior.

The link you posted above referring to Gnome Desktop showed using the Gnome Desktop on a Linux operating system called PCLinuxOS. I happen to have PCLinuxOS installed and every time I boot it from the hard drive, there is a progress bar showing the progress while booting and the words "PCLinuxOS" in large fonts on the screen. If you have seen that then that is the operating system you have.

The CD you have, with LinuxOS Gnome 2010.11 which you refer to above, is this professionally done or is it just written on the CD with a crayon or magic marker?

If you want to just get pictures off the CD and reinstall, you should be able to do that but I'm really not sure what your goals/intentions are?

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Old 04-02-2012, 04:41 PM   #26
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The CD you have, with LinuxOS Gnome 2010.11 which you refer to above, is this professionally done or is it just written on the CD with a crayon or magic marker?

If you want to just get pictures off the CD and reinstall, you should be able to do that but I'm really not sure what your goals/intentions are?


It is written on the disc with magic marker.

My main goal is to restore my Linux operating system if possible so that I can have a support system if my other mini-laptop (which has MS Windows) should develop a critical problem as I need internet access daily.

I had Linux installed on my Dell laptop because I was informed that it would give me less problems than Windows, certainly fom viruses. I need to access some photos downloaded on the Dell (linux) ASAP if possible.

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it downloads"?? Do you mean you are booting the computer with the CD? Download usually refers to getting some type of software from another source, usually on the internet.
By downloading here I suppose mean 'installing' the CD disc so that I can boot the computer.

If the CD installation disc works as describes, then it must be an operating system, otherwise it would not
boot up and allow me to access the desk top and internet. As you say it would not do this unless Linux was installed.

I am still very confused by all these 'titles' (options) of Linux. There appears far too many (to me).

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The link you posted above referring to Gnome Desktop showed using the Gnome Desktop on a Linux operating system called PCLinuxOS.
Now I did say my installation is Linux OS Gnome 2010.11 Does not the 'OS' designate which one it is?

I hope one day it all becomes clear. Thanks all for your patience. Hope also some other Newbies may gain from this helpful exchange should they, unfortunately, encounter similar problems.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 07:01 PM   #27
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I had Linux installed on my Dell laptop
Does that mean that someone else installed this operating system to your hard drive?

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By downloading here I suppose mean 'installing' the CD disc so that I can boot the computer.
If you have a Linux Live CD, you can boot your computer from that CD and it will basically function in the same manner as an installed operating system. You won't be able to save anything when using the CD because the CD is read-only.

As I said before, if you do have a Live/Install CD, you should be able to use it to install the operating system from it by clicking on the Install icon on the Desktop after booting from the CD.

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As you say it would not do this unless Linux was installed.
No, that's not what I said. As above, a Live CD can be booted and used in much the same manner as an installed system and does not need to be installed to a hard drive.

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Now I did say my installation is Linux OS Gnome 2010.11 Does not the 'OS' designate which one it is?
If it were PCLinuxOS Gnome it would. But since it is just something someone wrote on the disk with a magic marker, who knows??
When you put this CD in the drive and reboot your computer, do you eventually get to a graphical user interface showing a Desktop with some icons? If so, look in the lower left to see if there is a PC icon in a circle. If so, then you have PCLinuxOS. If not, what exactly do you see when you boot the CD and are able to access firefox,etc...?
Providing this info might help someone to help you to get your files/pictures off the disk so you can try to repair/reinstall your system.

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