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Old 07-19-2008, 10:50 PM   #1
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Post Book With No Linux Disc


ok so im interested in learning about linux i find a book called RED HAT LINUX UNLEASHED and it was supposed to come w/ a linux install disc but it was not there ( http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA240_.gif ) im unshure of where to find this disc at and im shure this book that i have is distro specific my question is is how do i locate this specific DISTRO/disc or what would be the closest to the distro that was supposed to be in the book to begin with?

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CD-ROM contains red hat 3.0.3, a complete distribution of linux with Xfree86, internet applications, programming languages, networking tools, linux games, and much more
in the back of the book it also mentions the following:
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The companion CD-ROM contains the latest RED HAT (3.0.3) Linux release. It includes a variety of linux kernels, including version 1.3.18. Plus, you'll find hundreds of additional programs and tools for linux.
im unshure what all this means (that is why im posting in the noob section) but hopefully this will be of some help to who ever is attempting to help me locate this disc/distro.
 
Old 07-19-2008, 10:56 PM   #2
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You don't want Red Hat 3, the closest to it is either Fedora (fedoraproject.org), or CentOS (centos.org)
 
Old 07-20-2008, 12:58 AM   #3
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Hi,

You can get different distributions via the ISO LQ.
 
Old 07-20-2008, 03:15 AM   #4
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You don't want Red Hat 3, the closest to it is either Fedora (fedoraproject.org), or CentOS (centos.org)
will the things in this book work w/ fedora?

i am aware that fedora was either based or started from RED HAT

why dont i want RED HAT 3 ?

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Hi,

You can get different distributions via the ISO LQ.
well my primary question is will the things in this book are they just general linux things that will work with any distribution?

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Old 07-20-2008, 03:33 AM   #5
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will the things in this book work w/ fedora?

why dont i want RED HAT 3 ?
You can get books on Fedora as well. Red Hat 3 is extremely out of date and no longer supported.
 
Old 07-20-2008, 03:35 AM   #6
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Because Red Hat 3.0.3 came out in March of 1996 according to Distrowatch. You don't want it for the same reason that nobody would install Windows 95 today ... it's ancient history. For goodness sakes, it's still using a version 1 kernel (version 2.0 came out about 1997 and we're onto version 2.6 these days). It is so horribly out of date it is unlikely to work with anything resembling modern hardware and the apps that come with it are going to be full of bugs and security holes.

To be honest, that book is so old its primary value is historical. While basic things like standard shell commands have not changes, stuff like configuring the GUI, sound, applications, etc. have changed radically in 12 years. Learning a modern distro with this is going to be like learning XP or Vista with a Windows 95 book. The basics will be there, but you'll probably get lost pretty quick -- particularly as a newbie. Do yourself a favor and buy something up to date. The Linux world changes more rapidly than the Windows world and you really want to be running fairly recent stuff.

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Old 07-20-2008, 04:38 AM   #7
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Because Red Hat 3.0.3 came out in March of 1996 according to Distrowatch. You don't want it for the same reason that nobody would install Windows 95 today ... it's ancient history. For goodness sakes, it's still using a version 1 kernel (version 2.0 came out about 1997 and we're onto version 2.6 these days). It is so horribly out of date it is unlikely to work with anything resembling modern hardware and the apps that come with it are going to be full of bugs and security holes.

To be honest, that book is so old its primary value is historical. While basic things like standard shell commands have not changes, stuff like configuring the GUI, sound, applications, etc. have changed radically in 12 years. Learning a modern distro with this is going to be like learning XP or Vista with a Windows 95 book. The basics will be there, but you'll probably get lost pretty quick -- particularly as a newbie. Do yourself a favor and buy something up to date. The Linux world changes more rapidly than the Windows world and you really want to be running fairly recent stuff.
ill just DL a .PDF on fedora or somthing if this is the case that shouldnt be a problem that and it would probly be easyer to find the distro for w/e .PDF i download

would a FEDORA book have any relevance to FEDORA on a ps3 would i be able to learn somthing that way im not too keen on the idea of using my primary computer as a scientific experiment that and all my HDD's are written in NTFS that i understand is an issue for linux as it uses the fat file system thus the need for massive back-up media and loss of any file over 4GB in size

my whole idea was to use an older pc that ihave lying around as an experimental try out any how ( a dell optiplex) thus why i was interested in red hat but if it has no relevance to current linux distro's i suppose the effort would be a waste of time

i did find this http://www.torrentportal.com/details...eashed.torrent and i am preparing to install fedora 7 on my ps3 over ydl any how as from what i have read this is the linux distro of choice for most ps3 linux users/programmers and developers over the YDL6 that i currently have installed

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thanx for the windows comparison i know exactly what you mean after u said that as i have worked from understanding windows 98 moved to 2000 than to XP (all in a series of about 4 yrs) to meet my needs and i completly understand your comparison after reading that

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Old 07-20-2008, 04:43 AM   #8
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my whole idea was to use an older pc that ihave lying around as an experimental try out any how ( a dell optiplex) thus why i was interested in red hat but if it has no relevance to current linux distro's i suppose the effort would be a waste of time
If it is a PII or newer with at least 128mb of RAM, it would be a great system to learn on. You can run some modern distributions on that without too much trouble. If you really want to get your hands dirty, install Slackware on it. There is tons of information out there for Slack.

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Old 07-20-2008, 05:16 AM   #9
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If you're going to go with Fedora, go with the latest version (9), not 7. Newer versions of distros tend to have better support. If your machine is older, you might want to consider Xubuntu -- it's Ubuntu running with a lighter-weight GUI (XFCE) that makes it well suited for slightly older hardware. A PII or PIII with > 512 MB of RAM should be very fast with Xubuntu, and even older systems should be usable as elliott678 said. You can also install XFCE on Slackware (or most any other distribution).
 
Old 07-20-2008, 05:40 AM   #10
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If you're going to go with Fedora, go with the latest version (9), not 7. Newer versions of distros tend to have better support. If your machine is older, you might want to consider Xubuntu -- it's Ubuntu running with a lighter-weight GUI (XFCE) that makes it well suited for slightly older hardware. A PII or PIII with > 512 MB of RAM should be very fast with Xubuntu, and even older systems should be usable as elliott678 said. You can also install XFCE on Slackware (or most any other distribution).
im sorry if i wasent verry clear the FEDORA 7 part came about cuz i have another alternate system aside from the older machine to run it on my ps3 i have read various issues from running fedora 8 on the ps3 and im not shure if fedora 9 is able to run on the ps3 or not i havent herd of it any how

linux on the PS3 is also another reaons why i want to learn the linux ways

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If it is a PII or newer with at least 128mb of RAM, it would be a great system to learn on. You can run some modern distributions on that without too much trouble. If you really want to get your hands dirty, install Slackware on it. There is tons of information out there for Slack.
it is a pentium celeron with 512 MB ram and a 4GB hdd all tho i have other HDD's around this problem could be easily fixed along with saving my current OS and settings at the same time

what would be a good book/guide with examples to follow and such for slackware?

im primarily trying to have everything i need right in from of me without having to post in forums and put togather random peices and things like that and just try to understand basics commands and abilitys things of that nature maye stem off into a side project to see how well i have taken to the new OS and to see what problems i encounter and what i need more work on i would eventually like to program things and like i said earlier in this post i would love to become more fermilar w/ linux so that i may use it more efficently on my ps3 possibly wright some programs for the PS3 or something creative along those lines

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Old 07-20-2008, 06:20 AM   #11
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would a FEDORA book have any relevance to FEDORA on a ps3 would i be able to learn somthing that way im not too keen on the idea of using my primary computer as a scientific experiment that and all my HDD's are written in NTFS that i understand is an issue for linux as it uses the fat file system thus the need for massive back-up media and loss of any file over 4GB in size
Where did you "learn" this? Linux doesn't use either NTFS or FAT. The primary file system for Linux is EXT3, although you can choose from several others as well (reiserfs, JFS, XFS).

OTOH, Linux can read and write to FAT quite well. It's just not a suitable file system to run the OS on because FAT doesn't support things like the *nix permission system or symlinks. NTFS is in a similar boat, and until recently support for it was very minimal. But with the development of fuse+ntfs-3g, we now have full read-write support.

Again, this is for accessing things like external usb drives and hard disks, and is not meant to be the underlying OS filesystem. Any partition you install linux on will be reformatted anyway and the previous filesystem and all previous data will be lost.

As for your first question above (and you really need to learn how to use proper punctuation and capitalization so we can parse your sentences accurately), Linux on the PS3 should be very similar to linux on a PC. There may be some hardware- and software-specific differences, but the main structure of the OS should be pretty much the same.
 
Old 07-20-2008, 07:39 AM   #12
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Because Red Hat 3.0.3 came out in March of 1996 according to Distrowatch. You don't want it for the same reason that nobody would install Windows 95 today ..
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Yea you would think that, I had a yard sale about two months ago, had a bunch of computer stuff in it. You would not beleave how many people asked if I had any Win95 cd's.


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i said earlier in this post i would love to become more fermilar w/ linux so that i may use it more efficently on my ps3 possibly wright some programs for the PS3 or something creative along those lines
If you want to learn linux, then use linux, use only linux don't go running back to windows every time you have a little problem. If you run into a problem you can't work through there are alot of people here and other forums and howto's on the net to help.
 
Old 07-20-2008, 10:07 AM   #13
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Here's a good Linux tutorial, but there's loads of stuff on the net:
http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz

Here's a Linux v MS comparison of concepts; worth a read:
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
 
Old 07-20-2008, 12:35 PM   #14
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If you want to learn linux, then use linux, use only linux don't go running back to windows every time you have a little problem. If you run into a problem you can't work through there are alot of people here and other forums and howto's on the net to help.
well another thing im involved in is games that is one thing (as far as i know) that need window too run tho i do know games like quake and a maybe some of the steam games i have (well at least linux dedicated servers) there are some reasons to keep windows around
 
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FWIW, several of id's games run natively under Linux.
 
  


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