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Old 03-18-2009, 08:02 PM   #16
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If you look at the back of the power supply you should see a label with the specs. If the new card requires extra power (Power Connector 6 Pin) like this one:(just an example not that you would want this card) make sure your power supply has that output (psu more than a couple of years old will not).

Other than the power you just need to make sure the card you buy fits the slots in your motherboard. Virtually all motherboards(in the last five years) will have a pci slot, but it is also the slowest of the current slots. Next is APG, but most of the series 8 or 9 cards are not available in this configuration. Pci-e is the current top dog and will be preferable IF your motherboard has this slot (it has only been around for a few years). Easiest way to figure it out is just to open the case and look. Google PCI slot, AGP slot, and PCIe slot to learn what each looks like.
 
Old 03-19-2009, 05:35 AM   #17
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linus72,
I have just had a closer look at your motherboard spec and it only has an AGP slot and 3 PCI slots. These are standard PCI slots. The board does not support the more modern PCI Express x 16 (pci-e).

This evga card may be suitable:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-256-A8-N3...ref=pd_sim_e_4

This card has both VGA and DVI ports and uses DDR ram. I guess you have VGA connection to your monitor?

Somebody with the same motherboard is trying to use an AGP nvidia Geforce fx5200 card here:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=85158

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006AZ57M/...0&linkCode=asn

Before you go any further do check the power requirements of the new graphics card. If you have to replace your psu then you are just digging yourself a deeper hole. This could end up being an expensive project, which is not what you want.

I would try and get a suitable AGP card first, subject to power requirements.
NB Do check that your psu's power is adequate for the new card. The power rating in watts should be marked on your existing psu.

I have just found another link for that evga card and it needs a power supply giving a minimum of 300w. As lazlow mentions above, check the power connectors on the card match those of your psu. You may be forced to change your psu, then again you may be lucky.

http://www.buy.com/prod/evga-geforce...203084943.html

Your motherboard would need replacing to use PCI Express x16!!

Your project seems to be more complicated than it first appeared, so do beware of throwing money at it.

Do note that this evga AGP card will not be the world's finest for gaming but it does have reasonable reviews for limited gaming. I am not quite sure what your expectations are.

Can anybody else on LQ recommend a suitable nvidia AGP card for the HP a810n?

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Old 03-19-2009, 07:49 AM   #18
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I have a nvidia Geforce 6800 in my Linux box.. that's the fastest card from nVidia, that I am aware of, that still comes in AGP. Runs over $100.00 for this card now.. It kills me because I could buy a new nvidia PCI-Express card for 1/3 the cost that would put my 6800 to shame.

That being said, I have been able to run most games I have tried (except for Savage 2). not sure what you are looking to play but when it comes to gaming the faster the card, the better.

I play a lot of FPS. Quake, Quake2, Quake3, Quake4, Enemy Territory, Enemy Territory:Quake Wars, Doom III, Unreal Tournament, UT2k3, Neverwinter Nights, Glest, Bzflag, Dungeon Lords(wine), and many more..



lazlow I was unaware of those cards being available in PCI. (local computer super store certainly doesn't carry them). Have you used any of those ? Does the speed of the PCI bus inhibit performance, possibly making it no faster thsan my current setup? I'm intrigued to say the least, this may be a way to stretch my old rig just a bit longer, otehrwise it's a full upgrade just to get a PCI-E Slot..
 
Old 03-19-2009, 09:16 AM   #19
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The Quest

This mother board will accept an AGPx8 or AGPx4 graphics card. As it also has three slots for PCI cards, it will alternatively accept a PCI graphics card.

You find out about your power supply with a screwdriver. Open the case and look for a label, eventually taking the PSU out of its mounting. If you have never done this before, you google. If you are just installing a graphics card, you would doubtfully need a stronger PSU. Upon installing the card, enter the BIOS Setup and disable the onboard graphic chip.

Have you tried any versions of linux with this machine in the form of one or more live-cds? Ubuntu 8.10, openSUSE 11.1, fedora 10, there are many. See here. http://www.livecdlist.com/

This is not quite a quest, it is more a job of work. You are not best served by expanding the latter until it becomes the former.
 
Old 03-19-2009, 11:11 AM   #20
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As you can see at left, I have many distro's installed-none can correctly identify the SIS graphics-so I get a generic display.
Ubuntu thinks it's a SIS-900 or something.
I found the drivers for the SIS 760 I have from a guy who has a webpage and he has all kinds of SIS drivers-but, even the "premium"($) versions he has don't support OpenGL, so no good.
I would just be happy to play Glest, so whatever card can handle that and is kinda cheap.
I thought this box had PCI-Express-as when I had XP it said PCI-Express-so go figure...?
So graphics cards aren't PC-specific?
Almost any PCI/AGP card that fits the slot and the power supply requirements will work?
The biggest thing I don't understand is why in XP I could play Glest, surf with Firefox, playing loud music, and writing in Openoffice, all at the same time and XP didn't miss a beat-that was before I got another 512MB of RAM.
The real problem lies in either Xorg or Linux, because the SIS integrated graphics did fine in XP.

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Old 03-19-2009, 11:24 AM   #21
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Quite honestly I think it boils down to a crappy sis driver.. I;ve seen a lot of posts recently with people that just can't get them working right or in some cases at all (Intrepid 64 bit) in Linux.
 
Old 03-19-2009, 11:40 AM   #22
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linus72,

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Almost any PCI/AGP card that fits the slot and the power supply requirements will work?
Yes, subject to the PSU's power lead mating with the graphics card's connector and the card using DDR ram.

As thorkelljarl has mentioned, “Upon installing the card, enter the BIOS Setup and disable the onboard graphic chip”.

Maybe some more Googling for a suitable SIS driver will help?
Any other suggestions from LQ folk?

This link about the various graphics cards may help you.

http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/AGP.htm

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Old 03-19-2009, 12:36 PM   #23
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This is not a recommendation. No one expects you to buy.

Just because I know the name and can find the page, I stuck the link at the bottom into the frey.

These are the kind of cards that work with your mother board. The 5200 chips were considered a bit of a disappointment for performance at the price. The 6200 and higher number chips were quite an improvement.

Notice that these cards follow the demand curve. They are first new and expensive, then cheap clearance goods, then more expensive again because of people like you wanting a somewhat scarce device that is not manufactured in any great number or not in production at all.

A card of this type draws all of its power from the mother board. It has no additional power connection.

A passivly cooled AGP card is relatively robust and long lasting. Can you not find one used from an on-line market place or at a local computer shop or at a swap market or in the trash?

Remember that any nvidia PCI card is also a solution, depending on what you can get at a price.

http://www.edbpriser.dk/Products/Lis...30&Submit.y=14

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Old 03-19-2009, 02:06 PM   #24
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linus72,

Personally I would not bother trying to make your existing SiS chipset work with Linux. I would get that evga card instead, subject to the provisos mentioned earlier.
It will be less hassle and the video performance will be superior.

If you wish to pursue things further and can find a suitable download, then look here:

http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart4.shtml

The reason that your card performed okay under Windows but not under Linux is because, as Thomas Winischhofer remarks:

Quote:
SiS is unfortunately one of those companies that do not support Linux or X.org/XFree86.
Some other hardware which was specifically designed for Windows will cause problems in Linux, especially certain webcams.
Good luck on whichever path you pursue.

EDIT Looking back at one of your earlier posts, I see that you have already found Thomas's website and as you have both remarked, OpenGL is NOT supported by SiS 760.

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Old 03-19-2009, 02:50 PM   #25
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OK-thanks alot to you guys-but I have one more question-
I popped the computer apart and it blew up!
No-Just kidding(smile)
However-there is a card in the middle PCI slot-what is it?
Being an idiot I think it might be the modem-as there is a phone-line jack on it's board-coming out the back of the computer. Why would that be there? I thought the slots were for graphics cards?
And the power supply says 250W max-that's OK for a cheapo/used 256MB card?
Anyway-I'm gonna take your advice and try to find something like you guys said.
Thanks for your time guys.
 
Old 03-19-2009, 02:57 PM   #26
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I think that the other users around already determined that you need an AGP card, and that for nvidia that would be 6xxx or 7xxx at most.

I'll just add a note: these nvidia cards are not even in legacy, which means that they work with the latest and greatest nvidia drivers, which is a good thing in which regards support. So, if you want a performant and well supported card with stable drivers, go for it. I talk from experience. I am not much into gaming or 3d desktops, all I can say in that regard is that a 6200 runs neverwinter nights quite well at 1600x1200, nasty effects turned off though

ATi has some better cards that work in AGP, for example, the hd2600, however the fglrx driver is nowhere as stable as the nvidia one (also from experience, I have one in my hands right now). Otherwise it's a good card, so if you can live with the fglrx annoyances and you don't go turning on/off the X server all the day as I do (occasional crashes), your experience might be tolerable.

So, if you want something that just works, find a 6xxx nvidia. If you need the most performant card for your AGP, then you have no choice but to go for ATi, because anything equivalent for nvidia is only available for pcie, unfortunately.
 
Old 03-19-2009, 03:02 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by linus72 View Post
OK-thanks alot to you guys-but I have one more question-
I popped the computer apart and it blew up!
No-Just kidding(smile)
However-there is a card in the middle PCI slot-what is it?1
Being an idiot I think it might be the modem-as there is a phone-line jack on it's board-coming out the back of the computer. Why would that be there? I thought the slots were for graphics cards?
If it's really a phone plug then it's surely a modem. Or maybe you are confused and it's an rj-45 network plug which is very similar (then it would be an ethernet card).

These slots are for expansion cards of any kind. You can plug modems, nics, additional ide/sata controllers, firewire adapters, video capturers, souncards, or whatever you could imagine. There would be very little sense in having 6 or 7 graphics cards on a domestic desktop machine, unless you are doing a very specific job.

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And the power supply says 250W max-that's OK for a cheapo/used 256MB card?
It should, as long as the rest of the components are soft on your psu.
 
Old 03-19-2009, 03:16 PM   #28
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linus72,

Those slots are for various expansion cards not just graphics cards.

If you can stretch to a decent psu, you could do worse than this Corsair (provided it fits your case). The customer feedback is overwhelmingly positive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139008

You need at least 300w according to evga for that card I mentioned.

Unfortunately with psus, cheap usually means nasty.
Has anybody on here had a good experience with a cheaper psu (300w minimum) which they can recommend?

Heh, the worst thing that can happen is that your 250w psu blows up taking the graphics card, mobo and cpu etc with it!! LOL

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Old 03-19-2009, 03:28 PM   #29
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Just to be clear (vs i92guboj's post) pre series 8 cards are not (and are not planed to be) supported in Nvidia's VDPAU features. They have made it pretty clear that this is going to be one of their break points for support. It would not surprise me one bit, once they get VDPAU worked out, if they move all the pre series 8 cards into legacy status. IF you can afford the price difference, I think you would be better off with a 9 series PCI based card rather than a 6 series AGP card. Something like this:

It is low power consuming (250watt should be fine), handles current standards, but is $75.
 
Old 03-19-2009, 03:51 PM   #30
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Awesome-thanks everyone-I'm gonna check it all out!
Now, before the Mod's get mad I'm gonna say let's kill this thread!
 
  


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