Best Linux Distro for 1st Time Newb
 

I've made the decision to install & try it out. I have a 250 Gbyte SATA that I can partition & multi-boot.

Which distro is best for 1st time ? Someone said that there is a distro that was designed for 1st-timers. I don't care about "best", I want "easiest" for the first try.

Also, where & how to get it. I prefer to download via P2P, and don't want to pay or wait to get it.

Thanks in advance for all help offered,


Johnny

the "easiest" would obviously be one of the live cd's...such as knoppix or slax. they're a full distro on a live cd that you boot with. nothing is installed, nothing touches your harddrive, and they are pretty great at detecting your stuff and making everything work, and gives you a fully operational linux distro to play with.
the easiest install is usually ubuntu, mandriva, suse...and a few more. they're easy to install, user (newbie) friendly, and easy to follow.

check out distrowatch it's a great site that tells you about all the different flavors of linux...plus it has links to download the iso's for the install or live cd you wanna try, for absolutely free :)

i'd be remiss if i didn't also suggest linux iso which has some great info on burning iso's and stuff...

You'll have to decide for yourself which one is the easiest for you to use and learn with. I usually recommend Fedora Core, Mandriva, Suse, or Ubuntu (not in this particular order) for first time installers.

Good luck, and have fun with it! :)

You should know that "free" generally adds a little complexity. The reason is that most open source distros include little or no proprietary software--things like RealPlayer and Acrobat Reader that make the distro run well from the start. (I know you said that you don't care if it's the best, but I bet you want it to be fully functional from the start.) You can make them work by looking around here and there and installing the missing packages, but then you are no longer simple, right? Anyway, of the free distros, I think the easiest to install are Ubuntu and Kubuntu. You are also in luck there, since the brand new version (6.06) is set to release tomorrow.

Thanks
 

I don't mind hunting for add-on's. I put the toe in the water & think about it a bit before deciding to go in further or back out.

It didn't occur to me that there would be "live" CD to run off of. I'm not afraid of partitioning, even though I've never done it before and may need some help. As I understand it, you can create and then delete a partition without worrying about losing the WinXP O/S on the "old" partition. So if this is true, I think I would rather just get on with it instead of only putting PART of a toe in the water.

Ubuntu was recommened to me by someone else, but then someone else said that there was one (or more, I dunno) distro that was geared specifically for new Users transitioning away from Windows.

SuSe ? Something like that I think.

Also, someone else said that some distros will set-up the partition for you during install. These seems like a Plus.

As long as I am raving, can I assume that NONE of my Windows Apps will run under linux ? Is this some sort of Virtual Machine, where there is a Windows VM running under Linux ? Or what ?

How does ths work ? With all the Linux users, they have to be running SOMETHING. What Apps are there & aren't there ? How is the best way to find out ? Would it be useful if I just posted a list of everything I have installed and peeps could tell me what will still run, what will require tweaking & reprogramming & what is just never gonna happen ?

Does Linux Application software cost money ?

Are there copywrite issues ? Like, do people re-write Nero for Linux, and if so do are they legally required to get permission ?

What about registration keys ? If I have a registered program (like Alcohol) will my registration still be good under Linux ?

What about (hold tight now...) cracked software ? Will a cracked App that runs under XP still work under Linux ?

I use MS Office (Word mostly) a lot. Is that out completely ? I read that there was a Linux substitute for Office. Will it still read the documents (Word), or does it have it's own data file format ?

Is there a link to some kind of guide titled "Living under Linux: What Life will Be Like without Windows" ?

:p

You can test live cd, but your learning curve will be faster if you install proper.
So do install proper.
Go for it. All installer guide you by the hand.
You need about 6 Gb for each distro (make a few spare partitions to test other distro), do make swap 2x ram size. prefer ext3 file system,
make a spare fat32 partition to share file with Zindows

DO MAKE /home as a separate partition

Mandriva, Suse, ubuntu, FC5 (etc) worth trying, just take the plunge.
Try something "exotic" later

Why for now writting to ntfs is a problem from linux http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
About resizing ntfs if you ever wonder http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html

Background reading you will need at some point, go to LQ bookmarq and searcg for
newbie and rute.
Also
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
Newbie's Top Ten Commands:
http://www.cmm.uklinux.net/steve/ntt.html

Google for winehq. But the best is to try linux alternatives when there

Good question. see sourceforge.net
with mandriva (and suse etc) rpm based you are a keyword search away within some package manager. Just that easy.
2005 LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Awards :
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...splay.php?f=69

Some do. You can donate. It will be appreciated

Yes & Yes

Google blogs. FYI: Linux is NOT Windows
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

I have tried Red Hat, Fedora Core 2 through 4, Mandrake, knoppix, Mepis, and PCLinuxOS. All were pretty easy to install, with Mepis and PCLinuxOS being the easiest. PCLinuxOS has everything you would probably like to add on pre-installed (proprietary media format capabilities, Java, Flash, etc.) All of these distros have nice package management utilities. I would suggest PCLinuxOS for your first distro. All of these distros have helpful online forums. Mandrake is now Mandriva. PCLinuxOS was a project that split from the Mandrake/Mandriva. All of these distros have many applications on their default package repositories (PCLinuxOS has over 5,000, maybe less than others, but still probably has one package for every likely need of a newbie).

You can get info on it, read reviews, and find links to its download page here:

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pclinuxos

As a side note, take a look at distrowatch.com

It has a list many, many distros, with similar pages for each one (just click on the distro name in the right hand listing)

Too many questions---Grab Ubuntu and install. You'll be up and running long before 6.06 comes out tomorrow--then you'll be able to decide if you wnat to upgrade or try something else.

With a big hard disk, leave lot of empty space--for all the other distros you want to try.

A side note to leaving space, (as i found out the hard way) if the FS is ext3, make sure your partition is big enough, i need more space and researching it seems extremely difficult (impossible?)

ethics I took the Chooser test & it said SuSe & Mandriva are perfect matches, with kubuntu/ubuntu as 3rd & 4th choices. Others have recomended SuSe, and apparantly Ubuntu/Kubuntu does not have "Graphical Installer". I'll find out exactly what that means and how important it is later.

That's really a GREAT tool. Made things much clearer about what the options are. Thanks to everyone else for the help. I think I am going to try SuSe first.

I'll check back later as I have some links to read & research (above). Thanks again.

Johnny

if it said you should try mandriva, then use pclinuxos, its what mandriva should have been. Its mandriva without the mandriva problems.

I would not suggest suse to a first time user, have you actually looked at adding repositories to it. While it is easy, it is actually overly complicated compared to other distributions.

PCLinuxOS is my sugegstion as a previopus poster siad. Its well rounded, immediatly useful after isntallation and jam packages with applications right after install. Its a live cd/install cd so that even better.

Suse is a great starting platform, i hear good things about it. *buntus dont have graphical installers (akin to windows xp installer) they have text installers, using ncurses, which formats ascii code to form a crude graphic like environment (pretty bad description, sorry). They are still user friendly and intuitive.

Best of luck in your endeavours, and should you have problems with things, google and LQ are your friends :)

PCLinuxOS is the perfect distro to get started with. The installer is graphical and includes a simple partitioner. Download it, run the LiveCD ; everything you see on the livecd comes with it when you install it.

You will save yourself a lot of hassle not messing with Ubuntu or Suse, neither one has all the proprietary multimedia formats installed or the players; things like Java, Flash, multimedia codecs, browser plugins, Adobe Reader

Personally I wish people would stop recommending Ubuntu to people that are new to Linux, even Distrowatch classifies it as a middle of the road distro. It comes missing too many thing. It is not a newbie distro. Granted they are easy enough to install but jumping right to terminal commands for someone just trying Linux for the first time is a bit over the top.

Newbie distros are Xandros, Linspire, PCLinusOS, Mepis, Mandriva, Suse (commercial version), and maybe Fedora Core. Not (k)Ubuntu or Open Suse both of which are fine distros in their own right but come missing so many things some one from windows will have trouble installing.

You might want to partition before trying to install, in that case I recommend using:
GParted -- LiveCD
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

I agree with the others that the Live CDs are not the best option. Perhaps playing around with one for a day would be fine, but that's about it. (You will see why if you ever use one.)

Regarding SUSE, it is my preferred distro. I think it is easy to install and run and it is stable. I typically recommend to people that are new to Linux to take the plunge and purchase the retail boxed version. Although it costs something (about $60), it includes phone and email support from Novell (limited), and a thick user's guide book. The boxed version also contains 5 CDs for those computers that do not have a DVD drive. Further, the dual density DVD contains a lot more packages and other goodies than any of the "free" versions you can download. It does make the transition a lot easier. (Not perfect, but easier.) Let me add that I read many comments and complaints about not getting something working on SUSE, but almost none of them are written by people who purchase the retail version. Frankly, it can only take one missing package to screw things up and someone new may not be able to tell what they are missing. The result is frustration since the learning curve can be steep when moving into a new OS. You have already spent years learning Windows and probably forgot most of those trials by now. :)

Partitioning is easy with SUSE, Mandriva, Ubuntu, and Kubuntu. (There are probably others, but I am not familiar with all of them.) They have options to reduce the size of the Windows partition (if desired) and set up new partitions for Linux. You need to be careful, of course. If you don't know what you are doing, read carefully and accept defaults unless you are pretty sure they are wrong. (They are sometimes.)

There are many replacements for Windows applications. Some of them are better than the originals. The most famous example are OpenOffice and the GIMP, replacements for Microsoft Office and Photoshop.

Let me add that although I prefer graphical installers, the "non-graphical" ones like in Ubuntu are not command line installers (like Slackware tends to be) and are not that difficult to use. I am reasonably sure they use this method to save disk space, since the Ubuntu "family" each fits on only one CD.

Yes, but is it F-R-E-E ?
 

I download, install play with and then uninstall software a LOT. It's hard to predict what "sticks" and what won't. This Linux notion of mine might be a flash in the pan or a lifelong partner, but it's too early to say.

And too early to invest money in, either. Maybe as/if I develop, I might ascend to the level of actually being willing to pay for it, but that's doubtful. Very doubtful.

One motivator to get away from Windows is that I am tired of playing the continuous "cat & mouse" game of running less-than-legitimate Windows software. It was fun for a long time, poking MS in the eye.

Yep, I'm a legitimate, bona-fide and treacherous "software pirate" (or whatever evil-sounding term is currently being used to castigate and demonize those of us that don't like the Holy MS EULA-gy).

(Continuing my caffeinated and sleep-deprived raving...)
I simply believe that if you buy something, you've BOUGHT it. This whole, retroactive "you've changed your CPU and so now we need to re-authorize the use of the Operating System you paid for" thing really forms the basis for a whole long list of rationalizations about why my actions are not only justified, (I believe) they are the responsible actions of an Activist that is intolerant of corporate injustice and isn't willing to wait around for the current Republican administration to figure out how to profit from enforcing the law (they only reason for Republicans to do this, as is evidenced by our current lack of a border with Mexico).

Yeah, I'm a Freedom Fighter. That's it. A Freedom Fighter.

However, it has stopped being "fun". I spend WAY too much time tinkering with XP, and I am becoming aware that I could use that time much more productively if I tinkered with Linux. And, (the monkey figures) if I tinker ENOUGH, I might never need to mess with XP, Windows in general or MicroSoft ever again. So instead of investing my time in learning how to apply this patch, fix, crack or workaround to the latest attempt by MS to keep me from using my own software, I might invest instead in being permanently free from the whole morass.

Given what I've been reading from most Linux Users, it seems I'm a natural just waiting to self-actualize.

Well here I am.

TA-DA !! :D

But I'm still a tight-wad. And fickle. So no spendy-money (pidgeon spanish, for you yankees and other foreigners) until I decide if I really want to keep it.

And then, only if I absolutely MUST.

I am guessing why the distro-choosing tool overlooked PCLinuxOS is because I no wantee spendy the money.

Is it free ?

If so, you've got me turned around. Although I'm not a complete putz with computers. The graphics are pretty and keep me awake when the caffiene wears off. I can do command-line stuff. Cut my teeth on Apple BASIC at the age of 16, and can run several commands in XP's "Recovery Console".

So I guess I'm saying, I'm not just pretty, I'm also SMART too.

:cool:

Okay, enough raving. Is PCLinuxOS free, and if so where do I get it. Again, P2P is my prefered method. Dunno why. I guess I'm just a thrill junkie, and enjoy even the appearance of illegality. (Even if the files I'm sharing are open source.)

Thanks again for the help, advise, input, feedback and background information.

Johnny

you must be too tired now to google for
linux iso torrent
there is a few people raving about pclinuxOS, well everytime I tried it,
it would not detect my video card, but mandy does. No distro is perfect.
Try a few and make your choice

PS: If you had read the sticky you would now that you should
have posted to
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...isplay.php?f=5

http://pclinuxos.com/page.php?7 to download

http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?cat=262 for torrents

Johnny, coffee?? i think you're on stronger stuff than that!! (did make me chuckle though).

http://www.pclinuxos.com/page.php?7 - according to that it's free, most other distros are btw, the money comes from support generally, and where is the fun in phoning someone up and having them fix it for you? :P

Not P2P links, but then i always find HTTP faster anyway (unless thee are oodles of Bittorrent seeds). Also the danger in P2P comes more from sharing your copyright stuff than it does downloading, so if you were to download it off of P2P you're more at risk from those getting your stuff :p.

For a newbie I think you could do a lot worse than Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper.

1) It's simple to install and use
2) It is a large distro so has plenty of community support
3) download and install easyubuntu from http://www.easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ after that it's a matter of point and click to add multimedia codecs, dvd playback, nvidia drivers and flash plugins.

Johnny

Here is some Grandfatherly advice...

As I see it. If it is free it is worth the try, but all things in life come with a price..

I have spent many hours and lose of sleep dabbling with free.

Remember FREE has strings which you will need to pull, knots which will need to be untied.

LAST: Even my advice is worth exactly what U paid for it.

Ubuntu 6.06 LTS
 

Lately, I have been using "Torrent Harvester" to find torrents for Azureus (it has a great interface with Azureus, which will launch from Harvester when a torrent is selected).

There are basically 3 active torrents listed, "Intel x86", "AMD 64" and "PowerPC".

(Note: I wanted to post a screen shot and can't figure out how. Possible ?)

I assume the Intel is for Intel (duh). I have an AMD CPU, but it is 32-bit. Will the AMD 64" distro work on my 32-bit machine ?

Other questions...

What is a "PowerPC" ?

Also, there are sub-catagories listed. "Desktop", "Server" and "Alternate". I assume the Desktop and Server versions are self-explanatory, but what is an "Alternate" distro ?

Thanks in advance,

Johnny

You need to use the x86 ISOs for a 32-bit AMD processor and no, the AMD 64 version won't work. You can however install a 32-bit distro on a 64-bit machine. PowerPC chips used to be used in Macs. Info about them here.

You can post only a link in LQ to wherever your pic is
Or do you mean ksnapshot (print screen key)

"there is a few people raving about pclinuxOS"

For good reasons too. Everything works. Great software selection and upgrading with Synaptic. Btw - dist-upgrade is very safe unlike most others.

I've been running .92 since its release and upgrading everything as they are available. Not a problem. And they call it beta.

Out of 6 operating systems the only ones I keep permanently are Xp(only for printing) and PCLOS. The other linux distros come and go but Mepis 6 is showing a lot of promise.

I don't rave about an operating system for nothing. PCLos is a great distro for windows users to move to.

Update...
 

I downloaded the Ubuntu torrent named "ubuntu-5.10-install-i386" via P2P, and burned the .ISO to a 4X Sony CD-RW using Nero and my BenQ1640. (The Sonys are the most reliable rewritable media I have found so far.)

On boot, the machine found the CD and began the installation, but choked at the files suffixed ".deb" (Sorry, I forgot to write down exactly where the install failed.)

I downloaded Ubuntu 6.06 for AMD 64 before I read this post, so I am currently d/l-ing the the x86 version. I don't know why the 5.10 version choked. I am thinking it might be the BenQ1640 or the Sony media. There was a CD-verification tool in the Ubuntu set-up that passed the BenQ, but nothing else would work. It doesn't matter, because I am going to try for the 6.06 installation and see what happens.

So thanks for the lesson in 64 vs. 32 bit Distros. The word "Intel" in the torrent description is a bit misleading....

A question still pending:

Thanks again for the help, I'll post back as the situation develops.

Johnny

This is all I've been able to find on the "alternate" install CD:

I've never used Ubuntu, though.

I installed Ubuntu 6.06 in a partition on my XP machine a week or so ago and haven't really been back to XP since.

There are only one or two things I've yet to find to make the transformation complete, but until I do, I'll keep the XP there 'just in case"

One note about the Ubuntu .ISOs - I downloaded two: the desktop and the alternate install.

I used the desktop disk as a Live CD (as well as several others) and, having decided on Ubuntu, I used the alternate disk to install because I read a thread over at the Ubuntu forum where a bunch of people had their XP NTFS boot partition trashed by using the graphic install option on the desktop image (it's a documented bug!)

The alternate install disk doesn't provide Live CD capabilities, but it provides a text based installation which I used to install the OS quickly and without problems.

My NTFS boot partition is still intact :)

Having read the NTFS-trashed horror stories, I prepared a partition beforehand using PartitionMagic under Windows.

I'm glad I took the time to read before clicking the install button.

I, for one, am glad I installed Ubuntu Dapper and I can't see any reason to go back - I just need a version of aMSN which supports webcams and an easier to use GIMP and I'll forget my XP.

Just curious, is Gaim not doing the webcam bit?

Old habits... I think gimp project is restructering menus etc. So keep an eye on it

Another Update...
 

Well Ubuntu 6.06 downloaded at about 165/kps on my DSL connection :) so I got it today and burned it to CD-RW.

It seemed to get much further into the install process than the 5.10 version, and the GUI was nice, BUT ...

There was no help for the partitioning process. It asked what I wanted and I did my best at guessing. I think I got to stage 5 or so before things went south.

It listed both my 40 Gbyte IDE HD and my 250 Gbye SATA, and what I TRIED to do was dedicate 40 Gbytes of the SATA to Ubuntu, but when I sleected what I thought I needed to, it wouldn't go. I COULD have done a bunch of trial-and-error selections, but I got nervous and bailed on the install.

Good thing, because when I went to boot to my normal WinXP (from the SATA HD) DiskCheck made a scan, which made me nervous. Fortunately, the only harm that seems to have come from my "near-miss" with Ubuntu disaster is that WinXP has (apparantly) "found" new hardware (?!) and my system clock has changed by about 5 hours. Considering this,:

I consider myself quite lucky.

Whew! Dodged a bullet there, for sure.

The "new hardware" seems to be a yellow-flagged parallel port driver (which I never had before) and which I uninstalled.

It seems this whole Ubuntu/Linux thing is pretty dodgy, and I am reconsidering my current course and looking for advice. Maybe this "pclinuxOS" Distro is safer ?

I've never partitioned before (as I mentioned previously) and I assumed that Ubuntu would do the whole mess for me. Apparantly I was wrong.

So what should I do ? Try for the "alternate" (without the nice GUI interface) or pclinuxOS ?

jz32300, could you please post a link to the thread that documents the NTFS problem with Ubuntu 6.06 ?


Thanks in advance,


Johnny

EDIT ***
I've started a new thread in the Newb forum for help on installing Ubuntu 6.06 here.

They're still working on the support for that (I think).

I posted in your other thread, Johnny, but let me add for the record in this thread that I had no problems with the older Ubuntu and Kubuntu distribution installers, nor the current "alternate" distribution installers, which use the legacy installer. Although I have not tried the new installer (I had zero interest), I have heard enough negative buzz regarding its performance that it may be a good idea to avoid using it for a time.

When I attempted to install ubuntu (Breezy Badger), I ran into problems because I was attempting to dual boot with Windows 2000, and ubuntu seemed to have problems with changing the partition size of NTFS. I then went back to Mepis, which worked just fine.

I have installed a dual boot system with both Windows 2000 and PCLinuxOS. There was no problem handling NTFS. I would suggest trying PCLinuxOS. It is without a doubt the most out-of-the-box/automagically-handle-everything distrubution I have yet encountered.

To be fair...
 

To be fair I feel I have to post this, although this may be the last post for this thread for a while, as I seem to have successfully installed Ubuntu 6.06 on my 250 Gbyte SATA and managed to retain both the WinXP Pro O/S that was on it first, as well as the WinXP Home that is on the 40 Gbyte IDE Drive.

:cool:

Verified that all 3 O/S's are working.

I went back to Ubuntu tonight and this time I didn't even try to configure the partitions, I just let it do it automatically. There is this one blurb in the set-up I didn't (and still don't) like which says something like "Let Ubuntu find the largest continuous free space" on the target drive for the partition.

Normally, I would assume that the "default" for the automatic settings would be an optimized partition set-up of reasonable (and not excessive) size. The language of this blurb implies the opposite; that Ubuntu was going to create the biggest partition it could.

But while considering possiblity this I decided that the programmers wouldn't have been that presumptuous, particularly when (one assumes) those using the automatic partition feature are going to be relative newbs, who may never use or even may uninstall the Linux O/S shortly after installing. So I went ahead and let it do it's thing and it seems to have done it's job flawlessly.

I still don't know what size the partitions are, so I can't say for sure how much of my 250 SATA got dedicated to Ubuntu. Iguess I'll find out eventually. Plus, it occured to me that I could probably go back into Ubuntu's configurations and change the parition size aftwards. So that's how I came to roll the dice one more time.

So I've taken the first step, chosen Ubuntu as my first Linux O/S and am now going to need to learn how to use it. Given the purpose of this thread was asking for help choosing a Distro, it may be that the thread's purpose is complete.

Thanks again for all the help, advice and "spiritually emotive support".


Johnny

you can do from under linux or under windows to see how your partitions are affected.

From what I've read so far, the current release version of Gaim doesn't support video/sound but version 2 beta 2 is rumoured to include gaim-vv which was designed to add video support - I haven't tried this yet as it requires replacing a couple of libraries with new versions not in the ubuntu repositories: libc6, lidbus and lidbus-glib.

I'll maybe try this next week... :newbie:

The main page on Gaim's website says that 2.0 beta 2 does not contain vv support for any protocol. Personally, I don't mind as I don't use voice/video anyway :).

Update...
 

Well for the most part I am well under way using Linux. Successfully running Ubuntu, WinXP Pro & WinXP Home off the SATA drive now for about 2 weeks with no problems.

Was a problem with trying to download and install Wine, which snowballed into a problem with my Repository, but that has been rectified and I have managed to install Azureus, but haven't yet started actually using it yet. Seems to work, but the file management part still needs to be figured out.

Thanks for the help in getting me started,


Johnny

Congrats johnny :) you've started on a long yet addictive learning curve :)

as for Gaim, the windows version supports SIP calls, which is a shame