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Old 09-24-2002, 04:19 PM   #16
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MasterC I think that you're right about Lilo being simpler to configure through the config file, (especially if your linux won't boot correctly and you're stuck in a terminal) but I like the graphical boot loader that Grub offers. From what I recall, LILO isn't graphical (correct me if I'm wrong). I think they're both equally as easy to install & to configure if you're installing Red Hat 7.3. The installer on the CDROM asks you every time you run it if you want to update your bootloader. And from there, it's all graphical. You don't need to concern yourself with the innards of lilo.conf or grub.conf. It's just as simply done as I explained in my earlier post.
 
Old 09-24-2002, 06:32 PM   #17
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Back in the 'ol days of the 1024 cylinder error LI ... LO, GRUB (and SYSLINUX) was the only thing that booted linux on big disks.

LILO on a floppy diskette is still as slow as custard. GRUB is quick because it boots in parts which can be located on different partitions.
 
Old 09-24-2002, 07:16 PM   #18
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both grub and lilo are silly! just use an external program like osl2000 or any other of the programs on download.com.
 
Old 09-24-2002, 08:20 PM   #19
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I had similar problems . I want to load Mandrake on an XP system.
I loaded everything fine. But the problem is that the NT file system wants to hog everything, so you cant just make the drive partition smaller. (xp comes up with the old blue screen of death and wont load further. )
Linux works fine, even sees the windows partition and files therein.
So my only option is to reload Xp on the newly defined partition the set up lilo again.
Microshaft are really making it difficult to dual boot anything other than their own stuff.
 
Old 09-25-2002, 04:37 PM   #20
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Wink

thats exactly what they want to do!!!
 
Old 09-25-2002, 06:40 PM   #21
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Here's the flipside of the coin... a little Red Hat 7.3 annoyance:

I freshly installed XP since I have now the Service pack disc. I knew that Winblows was going to overwrite the MBR since it always does, but I also knew that even if it did, I would still be able to restore my boot loader with the Red Hat 7.3 install disc. Boy, was I in for an adventure....
I found out after re-designing my boot loader that I had to install a package to make the change to my bootloader. "Now that's gay, I thought." So I wanted to go back and install one, and then I realized, "There's no back button. How F-ing stupid!". I re-booted and came back to the installer and realized this time that I would have to install a package to make the change to my bootloader. I chose a game, Tux Racer. That didn't do the trick because it's not a "Kernel Package". If I had read the dialog the first time correctly, I wouldn't be doing this now a third time, but that's how it all happened so you can imagine my frustration at this point. Unfortunately for a newbie like me, the only way to update the bootloader for a non-booting linux OS is to use the install disc. That means that every time I have to make a dozen changes to options that aren't really relevant to what I'm attempting to accomplish, and then I finally get to try and make my changes stick. The third time through, I chose "Kernel-bigmem" since my system has 1GB of DDR. I didn't see a choice in there for "Default Kernel" Which is what I would have chosen, since I didn't really feel like fuxing with my Kernel. Luckily, this was enough to update my boot loader, and I was back to a dual-boot situation with Red Hat and XP.
 
Old 09-26-2002, 05:10 PM   #22
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Here is a small step-by-step guide to rescuing Linux after installing XP, so that newbies like me don't have to suffer for hours .

I have Red Hat 7.3 and installed XP about two hours ago. During installation, it warned me that there was another OS on an active partition in the HD (that was Linux), and that it would mark that partition as inactive. Linux wasn't actually deleted, that was just XP setting itself up to be the only system to boot up when the computer is turned on.

After XP is installed and properly configured, do the following to get Linux back:

1) call up XP's command prompt.

2) type "diskpart". This will call up XP's partition manager.

3) on diskpart's prompt, type "list disk". This will list all the HDs on your machine. Note which of them is bearing Linux (you can probably guess from the size). If there is only one disk, this is obvious .

4) type "select disk X", where X is the number of the HD containing Linux.

5) type "list partition", to see the list of partitions. Note which one is the /boot partition (again, you can guess from the size).

5) type "select partition Y" where Y is the number of the /boot partition.

6) type "active".

This will set up Linux's /boot partition as the first one executed when the computer starts. When you reboot, you'll have Linux back, but won't be able to boot up XP. What you have to do now is add it to GRUB. I'm using GRUB here because that's what I have - if anyone wants to help with the LILO alterations, go ahead .

To set up GRUB:

1) Find it's config file, "menu.lst" . This will probably be /boot/grub/menu.lst .

2) Add the following lines to the end of the file (but see the notes first!):

title Windows XP
root (hdX, Y)
chainloader +1

Notes: replace X with the appropriate number for the HD containing XP (this is 0 if you have only one disk), and Y for the number of the partition containing XP's boot loader. This will probably be the number listed in diskpart -1 : if diskpart listed XP's partition as being "3", then Y is 2.

3) Reboot your computer. If everything went all right, your should see the GRUB menu with a new option for loading Windows XP, and will have access to both systems.

(Edit: removed the "makeactive" line from the GRUB configuration commands. It would put you back at square one).

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Old 09-26-2002, 07:35 PM   #23
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heh too late... already deleted my windows partition.. going to start again when i feel like it... too lazy... gotta shop for hdtv
 
Old 09-26-2002, 07:48 PM   #24
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man, if you want to play games, just use wine
I wanted to keep windows for the same reason as you but when I saw NeverWinterNights working so good under linux I just erased the windows partition.

I made Starcraft and Quake3 to work also (quake3 without wine)
so if you want help for those ones, don't hesitate
 
Old 09-28-2002, 05:28 AM   #25
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Quote:
Originally posted by zovres
I made Starcraft and Quake3 to work also (quake3 without wine)
so if you want help for those ones, don't hesitate
I would love to play starcraft in Linux. Does everything work with B-net in Wine? Is there anything specific that you have to do for starcraft to get it to run in Wine?

TIA
 
Old 09-28-2002, 04:39 PM   #26
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wine?
 
Old 09-28-2002, 06:09 PM   #27
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*glug* :-)

But seriously...

WINE = "Wine Is Not an Emulator" Not a whole OS emulator, just emulates the win32 APIs. I can type "wine /mnt/hda1/windows/notepad.exe" if that pleases me. With a little configuration, it's possible to get some windows games running via wine, or wineX (binaries cost money for winex). I believe that in graphically intensive titles, you can lose a considerable level of performance, but I've never used wine seriously myself.

What is wine?
 
Old 01-01-2003, 12:23 PM   #28
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Hey guys! The is back! - I was the one that started this thread so long ago - I have an update! As it turns out, I have reformatted my linux 6.5 gig partition, and it is an ext2 partition. I can boot again into the red hat cd. I am just scared because I know I will do something stupid. Does anyone know what to do step by step if I want to get linux and windows XP working on the LILO or GRUB boot managers? I am running windows XP at the moment (actually i am even using xp RIGHT NOW on this VERY COMPUTER that I am trying to install linux on!) and I heard that linux can come second so that's good - no more formatting. Now, if I wanted to dual boot Red Hat Linux 7.3 and Windows XP together, then how would I do it?

Here are my specs:

I have one 12 gb hard drive that is my primary - I have split it into two partitions the first one has windows XP on it and the second one is the linux partition
I also have a 60gb hard drive in which I store stuff on.

Thanks! and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

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Old 01-01-2003, 01:46 PM   #29
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Just install it on the 2nd partition,hda2.Grub will set itself up automatically.It's not that big a deal.If you stay awake during the install,you'll be fine.Just pay attention and use the back button if you think you screwed up.RH 7.3 will ask for confirmation before the file copying and package installing begins.
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Old 01-01-2003, 01:55 PM   #30
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So windows XP, Red Hat 7.3, and GRUB all work nicely together? i heard that NTFS doesn't work nicely with LILO - but according to you NTFS works nicely with GRUB?

Aman9090

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