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Old 06-02-2014, 07:45 AM   #16
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Actually, RHEL6 still uses Apache's terminology of 'virtual host' http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_boo...tualhosts.html and RHEL v5 did also .... http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_boo...tualhosts.html
 
Old 06-02-2014, 08:30 AM   #17
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www.linuxtopia.org

That... isn't RHEL.
you can tell because.... it says linuxtopia.org. right in the domain name.
That's the part between the www. and the .org, Mr Guru.
Red hat documentation comes from here:
www.redhat.com
You can tell because between the www. and the .org is the word red hat.
You following this, Mr Guru?
I'm I going to fast for you?

Go google some more, son.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 09:33 AM   #18
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Actually it is Red Hat documentation hosted at Linuxtopia.

Red Hat has CC licenses on their documentation. So other people can host it, modify it, use it and so on. That linuxtopia article is just a version of the official RH documentation seen here:

https://access.redhat.com/site/docum...tualhosts.html

Also, Red Hat is a .com, not a .org

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Old 06-02-2014, 09:47 AM   #19
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I have to say, I did think I was correct in my original terminology.. as I've just recently been on an official Redhat training course, and the instructor always referred to it as Virtual Host... as does the literature and work book.

If it were referring to virtualisation, then it wouldn't make sense? - It's either a Physical Host or a Virtual Guest?! Unless you're virtualising a hypervisor, which would make no sense in it's self.

My question has been answered very well.. and I thank all for your input

The upshot is, when we enable Virtual Hosts, everything becomes a virtual host and we must therefore set the original website as it's own virtual host also.

This is the way I configured it in my test environment, so it's good to know I'm going the right way.

Thanks
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:01 PM   #20
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I'll tell you what guys, call it what you like, it's no skin off my back. I'm not the one who gets looked at like a moron ever time I call the web server a virtual host.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 08:03 AM   #21
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You following this, Mr Guru?
I'm I going to fast for you?

Go google some more, son.
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I'll tell you what guys, call it what you like, it's no skin off my back. I'm not the one who gets looked at like a moron ever time I call the web server a virtual host.
Please, calm down. No need to be so harsh. Man warned.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 09:26 AM   #22
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Please, calm down. No need to be so harsh. Man warned.
I'm going point something out to you and you can take this as me being angry but in fact, It makes me laugh every time one of your "Gurus" does this.
Somebody has a problem, I fish it out of 0 replies, spend a little time working with the OP and resolve it.
Then, the crows start to gather, you didn't say it this way, you didn't do it that way, in X distro we suggest, I once saw in a book..."

The test is always can you fix it, not can you critique the guy who did.

Edit: If you expect me to stop telling people that if you call a web server a virtual host in a production environment, people are going to look at you like you're a slow child, you might as well go ahead and toss the ban-hammer now. That's no skin off my back either, I answer questions, I don't ask them. If you'd like to block me helping other linux users keep their systems running, go ahead, the internet is full of these boards.

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Old 06-03-2014, 10:03 AM   #23
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If you expect me to stop telling people that if you call a web server a virtual host in a production environment
I don't expect nothing but you try to use a quieter and less sarcastic tone. Technical discussion is up to you and critiques are part of the game. It's not a matter of who has reason and who's not, who is helpful and who is just annoying. Clear enough?
 
Old 06-03-2014, 10:19 AM   #24
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Somebody has a problem, I fish it out of 0 replies, spend a little time working with the OP and resolve it.
Then, the crows start to gather, you didn't say it this way, you didn't do it that way, in X distro we suggest, I once saw in a book..."
If you reply to a post, it shows up in LQ Spy, which a lot of people watch. Sure, someone might have fixed the issue, but there are always caveats that need to be mentioned, critiques, discussion, other distros to consider. That information eventually might end up handy for someone in the future.
 
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Old 06-03-2014, 11:43 AM   #25
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try to use a quieter and less sarcastic tone
I think that might have been my quieter, less sarcastic tone....
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That information eventually might end up handy for someone in the future.
That, Sz, is an excellent point and since that is our goal here, I will take these suggestions to heart. However, I can only point out, once more before I shut up about this forever that I do actually work in these environments and it's important to realize that nobody in 2014 refers to a machine hosting a virtual domain as the virtual host (especially since it's almost always a virtual guest). The closest to that phraseology anybody in my experience uses is "virtual domain host" it has the advantage of being accurate.
My involvement with this was explicitly to help Jon, the guy who wants to pass his red hat test, where based on my experience with red hat he wont see an Apache server referred to as a "virtual host" on his test, at least not without the qualifier that it's a virtual domain host (or web server). The phraseology is too sloppy and confusing for redhat to test on it, or at least so I assume.
Sorry for any bent feelings.

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Old 06-03-2014, 12:10 PM   #26
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No one is referring to the machine itself as a Virtual Host. Virtual Hosts are entries in the apache configuration file(s).

This is from Apache:
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The term Virtual Host refers to the practice of running more than one web site (such as company1.example.com and company2.example.com) on a single machine. Virtual hosts can be "IP-based", meaning that you have a different IP address for every web site, or "name-based", meaning that you have multiple names running on each IP address.

Source: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/
When referring to these specific entries in apache, please refer to them as virtual hosts as that is the universally accepted term for these configuration entries. As I mentioned earlier, virtual hosts in this context has nothing to do with: the machine itself, virtualization, virtual machine servers, virtual machine guests, etc.

Hope that helps clarify it a bit.
 
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Old 06-03-2014, 12:22 PM   #27
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No one is referring to the machine itself as a Virtual Host. Virtual Hosts are entries in the apache configuration file(s).
What are you, the test to see if I'll follow through on being nice to others?
 
  


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