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Old 07-16-2005, 04:28 AM   #1
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Question And yet more random questions from a former Windows user

1. In Gnome, in the bottom right corner are the four boxes which represent four different screens for use. Sometimes I open up a bunch of applications in one screen, and it gets cluttered, and I want to move one of them to another screen. But I have not found a way to do that. Is it possible? Right now it seems like the only way to get an application in one of the other screens is to start it there.

2. I wanted to set Fedora to start with "num lock" on, but it looks like I have to compile and make a program to do that. Wow, is it really that complicated to just get the num lock to come on when booting?

3. It seems like I need all these programming languages just to get applications to run on my machine - gcc, tk, tcl... I'd like to streamline the amount of hard drive space I use, but I'm afraid that if I remove any one program I'm going to not be able to install new things or run some applications. Everything in Linux seems to be so inderdependant and has so many dependancies you need to download. Is there anyway I can tell what I need to run the applications I use, and what I can safely remove?
Old 07-16-2005, 04:39 AM   #2
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I don't use Gnome or Fedora, so Im not much help there.

As far as the dependencies are concerned,

# ldd vim

That will tell you what dependencies are being used for the program vim.
After a few months, youll get the hang of what dependencies are vital, and
which are not. Compiling and installing programs in Linux is DEFINITELY not
the same as in Windows. You pretty much have to read the documentation
included, it will tell you the things you need installed, versions, etc.

GTK means Gnome Toolkit.
GCC is GNU C Compiler

Not a direct surefire answer, sorry.
Good luck to ya..
Old 07-16-2005, 11:31 AM   #3
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right click on the top bar of the window you want to move then select "send to... desktop x" this should do it.
Old 07-16-2005, 12:26 PM   #4
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1 use decent thread names and people will be more inclined to look and help

2 theres not a fedora setting that i know of for numlock. its down to the window manager (KDE, gnome etc) if your new to linux and not too attched to gnome then i'd recomend switching to kde (personal opinion) there should be a setting somewhere for the numlock status. KDE has a control centre. lovely nice gui for configuring stuff. it might be worth trying gnomes equivilent. looking for settings for peripherals and then keyboard settings. thats where it is in kde anyway.

3 the nice thing about fedora and package based distributions is that a lot of software comes bundled in premade packages. very simple for newbies of anyone whos lazy like me. personally i can't be bothered to spend ages installing stuff from source unless i have to. good ways of installing things are using the yum command. read up on it. very useful. the second (which yum depends on) is downloading packages (rpms) yourself and installing them. a little like installing something from scratch. have a look at for a better idea.

aside installing stuff from source isn't hard its just i get annoyed having to unzip/tar all the sources. after that its usually a breeze and nicely make/configure files will tell you when your lacking dependancies

good luck and don't give up on linux yet. its a beautiful thing when you get into it
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1. Thank you! That's exactly what I was looking for.

2. When it comes to switching between KDE and Gnome, I noticed that some programs seem to be built for KDE, and not for Gnome, and I assume vice versa. Does this mean that whichever one I choose, i'm going to be more and more tied to it as I use applications that are built for that interface? Is there a Gnome/KDE split in Linux world? Rivalries?

3. For the most part, RPMS and YUM seem to do a good job. But I've come across things like doing my wacom driver and video card which seem to requite configuring and making and installing. I guess I'm going to have to wait until I'm more versed in Linux before I start trimming the fat.
Old 07-16-2005, 01:37 PM   #6
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kde vs gnome - rivalry - yes between friends. each to their own. i prefer kde cos when i started with linux kde was loads better. i think gnome has got a lot better but imho kde is the best (although i use fluxbox quite a lot at work and i like that for simplicity)

gnome in kde and vice versa
well i've got a fair few programs that use the gnome librarys (GTK) (etc gaim, gkrellm, ads a few of the default games that come with it)
don't know about the other way round mind you. it probably is possible but i think the kde librarys are more tightly wound and harder to get to work on their own,

how about running kcalc while in gnome and see what it does

a good old ./configure ; make ; make install isn't that hard tho really. its all part of the fun
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Originally posted by Nitrox
GTK means Gnome Toolkit.
Actually, GTK stands for GIMP Toolkit.
Old 07-16-2005, 02:05 PM   #8
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There's a program called numlockx that can get your numlock on in Gnome by default. It's in Ubuntu's repositories. I'm not sure about Fedora, though. If you like basic things like that to work, you're better off with KDE.
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you need GTK to run a lot of gnome libraries tho right?


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