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Old 01-23-2007, 12:51 AM   #16
Wim Sturkenboom
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fixed quoting issue


Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Diggs
I did forget to mention, Quake did not however, that Open Office comes standard with every distribution
No, it does not.

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Originally Posted by Junior Hacker
Nothing
So you confuse the thread starter as well as others that found this thread searching for 'Orange livebox modem'

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Originally Posted by Junior Hacker
You may know that "I have an Orange livebox modem" may mean DSL, but I don't
You can do some research before posting.

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Originally Posted by Junior Hacker
Don't be so selfish in thinking this thread is solely for the person who started it.
In my opinion, this thread is basically for the one who starts it. Others might or might not benefit from it.
I don't see where 'selfish' comes from?

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Old 01-23-2007, 03:06 AM   #17
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Question Am I better sticking with Linux

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Originally Posted by Debs
Thanks for your help Robert. I dont really intend to use the PC myself and I'm sure the kids would have no problem with learning Linux.They are not as slow as me! The Orange Livebox is a router ( broadband) .I have just visited their website to find out what systems are required.They specify "Windows 98 or later, or Mac OS8.6 to OS9.2 (not OS X) ".I assume from this that i cant run this on Linux? This will be the deciding fator as to whether i change to windows, (or run windows alongside Linux -which ever is the easier), as I do not what to change Internet provider.

Thanks again
Debs
Hi Debs, hi all,

YES you can set this up from linux. NO, you don't need to change provider.

I had a similar situation here in Switzerland with our local provider who also supply a setup disc for windows or mac, but nothing else. My provider do however supply a manual. I presume yours does as well. If you read that cover to cover, they probably give instructions for installing without a disc.

The installation is done through your web browser by typing an IP address (something like 168.155.1.1) into the web address box, which will then bring up a log in screen. You need your admin info to enter this (mine is simply "admin" and a password which is given in the setup manual).

Once logged in (in fact you're logging into your modem setup) you can specify that you are an existing customer and will be invited to enter your user name and password, then taken through the few steps needed to access the internet. If you are a new customer, you will be invited to give a new user name and password and again be taken through the setup steps.

Presumably, you can find your own user name from your existing xp setup and hopefully, you know your password.

The admin login and password should be found in the providers "orangebox" manual.


I hope this helps!

BTW...In linux, you really don't need to purchase anything whatsoever, everything is available freely, costing you just the time to download and install.
 
Old 01-23-2007, 03:18 AM   #18
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OT - out of curiosity, does that mean it'd be legal to download a copy of RHEL latest version without paying Red Hat?
 
Old 01-23-2007, 10:23 AM   #19
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Thanks all!

Thanks to you all for the valuable information:

1. I plan to connect using a Ethranet cable,My laptop is wireless which I run from the livebox, but my PC with Linux will be a wired connection.

2. I am aware of my Orange password and log in details.I now need to get my head around navigating the linux system.( the ironic thing is that i understand how to do all that you tell me in windows, as I have learnt to fix a few problems with the livebox over the few months that i have had it.I just haven't a clue where to start on Linux, but I will try to learn!!).When I have a free hour or so ( tomorrow I hope) i will call the help-line and see if they can talk me through installation.

3.The version of Linux that I have pre installed is 9.3.I am not sure if it has the office programme pre installed but will have a good look when get home from work!

Once again many thanks.....i can't wait to get started!
Debs
 
Old 01-23-2007, 11:19 AM   #20
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I have used this box through ethernet with linux without doing anything. On this part I can give info:

Modem/router which has an Ethernet port and a wireless interface. You can also assign an IP for a DMZ. There is an integrated firewall. I was using PPPoA so its even easier that PPPoE on the linux machine.

For the Ethernet, put your linux in dhcp mode. The only problem could be that your PC's Ethernet card would not be recognized, that's very unlikely.
I don't give details for every step. Debs, you have to ask specific questions once you have started.

For the wireless, I haven't tried but I know somebody using a common Wireless adaptater to connect and he has no problems. I can't remember the encryption, probably WPA. For this, your PC's wireless card has to be recognized, then you have to setup the encryption (I'm sure a lot of french forums deal with it) and also setup dhcp (dhcp allows you to get an IP adress from your router, the livebox)

Then for linux version, it seems its suse 9.3. I also had it preinstalled but changed after a few hours, was not working properly. This is another subject...

ps: try to avoid phoning the $$$ hotline
 
Old 01-23-2007, 11:32 AM   #21
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Nx5000
Thanks for your help.i have just come off the phone to the orange livebox helpline.They didn't want to know......told me to key in an IP address in to my web browser which i did.( told them i had no internet connection!)i got the message'The connection was refused when attempting to contact........'.They then told me they couldn't help as livebox didnt support Linux and to ring the Linux helpline!!

Your instructions 'For the Ethernet, put your linux in dhcp mode. The only problem could be that your PC's Ethernet card would not be recognized, that's very unlikely. 'regrettably mean nothing to me.....i am such a novice that i dont even know what dhcp mode is.so i think i have to admit defeat ad go back to windows.This is all a bit beyond me...

Something else just occured......my kids want to be able to use msn messenger.As this is a microsoft application...i dont suppose it can be downloaded to linux either?

Thanks again tho'
Debs
 
Old 01-23-2007, 11:46 AM   #22
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Quote:
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Nx5000
Thanks for your help.i have just come off the phone to the orange livebox helpline.They didn't want to know......told me to key in an IP address in to my web browser which i did.( told them i had no internet connection!)i got the message'The connection was refused when attempting to contact........'.They then told me they couldn't help as livebox didnt support Linux and to ring the Linux helpline!!
They probably asked you to go on 192.168.1.1 which is the internal IP (everybody has the same) of the router.
But first they should have asked you if your ethernet card was recognized on linux ...
Also did they tell you where to put the cable? From the PC to the livebox (I think its the green socket? can't remember exactly)

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Something else just occured......my kids want to be able to use msn messenger.As this is a microsoft application...i dont suppose it can be downloaded to linux either?

Thanks again tho'
Debs
Yes there is AMSN, it works (but I don't use it)

So the task is to see if your ethernet card is recognized.
type this in a shell:
/sbin/ifconfig

can you give us your laptop model? or do you know your ethernet card name?
 
Old 01-24-2007, 04:01 AM   #23
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what flavour of linux are you using?

i woudl recomend suse for an absolute newbie as the isnatller is very easy! (much easier then teh windows one!!!)
and this should auto detect yoru network card (the bit where the ethernet cable plugs in) andd automaticly set it to DHCP if you accept the default option

there are many MSN clients for linux, AMSN, Gaim, and kopete being some of the best known.
i use kopete all the time to speak to my freinds on MSN, AIM, Yahoo, and Google chat and it works fine with all of thease! (so does gaim but tehre is no webcam support)
AMSN is just for MSN

to get suse just go here

http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version
and download the 10.2 reliced version DVD for X86
(by HTTP unless you allready have a bittorent client)
 
Old 01-24-2007, 05:23 PM   #24
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Hi again.
When i phoned the support line they did not ask me to plug the ethranet cable in, but i already had done it,There is only one ethranet socket on my pc, and i have the other end plugged in to the live box correctly.They did not ask any questions about my ethranet card.I have no idea if the pc regognises the ethranet card as i dont know where to look...(sorry!)

My laptop is Acer travelmate 4072LMi.

Again I'm sorry but i dont understand what you mean by 'type this in to a shell'....what is a shell?( told you my skills were severly limited)!!

I already have Suse on my PC.

Once again thanks for your help and incredible patience!

Debs
 
Old 01-24-2007, 05:28 PM   #25
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Might I recomen another modem manufacturer like Belkin, Motorola or Netgear.
 
Old 01-24-2007, 05:46 PM   #26
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At the risk of getting lost in the noise, did you have the ethernet cable attached between the PC and the Orange box before you turned on the PC? There should be one or two LEDs (lights) in close proximity to the ethenet connector on the PC. Are they on or flashing? If they're on, that's a good thing and we're almost there. I can help you figure out what your configuration needs to be on your PC, but it would probably be better if someone experienced with helping a newbie setup an ethernet connection on Suse would help. If you know how to bring up a terminal in Suse then please run the command "/sbin/ifconfig". If you get a response that looks like this (with an eth0 or eth1 in it), we're almost done:

Code:
eth0    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:26:54:0B:8F:4B
          inet addr:192.168.1.20  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::226:54ff:fe0b:8f4b/64 Scope:Link
          several more lines ...
If you don't get that, then run "lspci" and look for an ethernet device in the response. It will look something like this but with different numbers etc:
Quote:
02:01.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3C920B-EMB Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller [Tornado] (rev 40)
Let me know what the response is on your machine and we'll do the next step.


Added:
Even better for you might be to do it graphically:
If you are running Gnome and there is a "Desktop" button at the top, click it. Then click Administration, and finally Networking. If you get that far, there should be an ethernet connection listed. Click on it and click Properties. Enable the card in the little box and then change the configuration to DHCP. If you get all this done, then you should have access to the internet.

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Old 01-24-2007, 05:54 PM   #27
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Well, if you have a computer with Linux pre-installed, this gives you an exceptional opportunity to learn what Linux is all about. And I would not quickly forsake that opportunity, because Unix/Linux systems are coming in like thunder now. It's more important than ever before that you should learn about them... and, looky here, an opportunity to do so just fell right into your lap.

However, if you bought the computer for a particular purpose, and need to apply it straight away to that purpose, then why not ... go down to the computer-store (or eBay), buy another hard drive, set the existing one aside (or put it in as the second or third drive), and pop the blank one in so that you can install Windows on it? Then you can dual-boot anytime... you can learn how to do that later.

(Or even put the old drive on the shelf in a plastic bag where you can swap it the old-fashioned way.)

(If it was really cheap, do they have another one you could snarf up?)

When you buy a computer for a purpose, obviously the most important thing to do is to maneuver the machine to a configuration whereby you, with your present level of experience and preferences and so-on, can accomplish that purpose most quickly and easily. Period. If that means Windows, fine!

However, since it happens to have Linux on it now, all set-up and running, well, that's an opportunity unto itself.

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Old 01-24-2007, 05:59 PM   #28
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P.S.: Don't "call a support line" for any purpose anytime. You're just wasting your time, or your money, or both.

We are your support-line.

And... don't imagine that every one of us does not understand how you feel. Remember that "unfamiliarity" is not "stupidity." You simply "don't know yet," and I assure you, this is the only way to come to "know." After a couple of trips through the School of Painful Experience, they start to call you "guru."

There are lots of us on the "been there, whacked my head into that" camp, trying to help ... and lots more sitting in the Peanut Gallery, staring at their own cast-off machines, trying to follow along.
 
Old 01-24-2007, 08:26 PM   #29
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I agree

Quote:
Originally Posted by dasy2k1
IME any router/modem that conects with an eathernet cable (rather than USB) will work on any OS you like, all linux flavors, BSDs Solaris (if you can afford it) OSX (ditto) ind i would lay money on it working with HURD if you can get hold of it!

if the orangebox conects with a network cable it will work

plese be aware that purchase is considered a rude word here in the software context just about anything on linux is FREE
If you know the IP of the XP box, wireless or wired, don't matter. It will have to be on the same subnet. You may have to look around in the web interface and tell it go give up more than one DHCP address.

I have been using Fedora since core 1. Don't give up it just gets better.
 
Old 10-02-2007, 03:34 PM   #30
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Cool

I have an orange livebox modem and Ubuntu. Just do this:

1. connect the Ethernet cable
2.start a web browser
3.type into the address bar http://192.168.1.1
4. it will ask you for a username etc. unless you have changed any settings the username and password will be admin.
5.When a page comes up click change on the internet settings area
6.Type in username and password (if you are using the box already this will have been done already)
7. click validate
8. check the @ light on the box, if it is steady, you are connected!
9. depending on what distro of linux you are using, you should see something confirming you are connected.
10.Surf the Net! (by the way, I am having trouble with my wireless connection but wired is 100%)
 
  


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