Absolute Noob

koricVI · 11-28-2005, 05:24 PM

I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to computers, but the more I use Linux the more barriers I run up against, it took half of my first night to get my screen tot go to its native resolution of 1400x1050 and now I still can't get sound working...

Now one problem is that whenever I look for solution on these forums there are answers like "this works for me" then some code... I must admit that I am totally lost, could someone point me in the direction of a general tutorial for Fedora 4 or something? I will obviously be looking on my own but Im sure there are people here who have already spent more time looking than me.

bwingate · 11-28-2005, 05:38 PM

You might want to try www.fedoraforum.org for starters.

I'm pretty new at Linux too, and it can be confusing as hell sometimes. Every install of every distro seems to be a little different, and there are often too many variables to pin down. The newbies don't think to put in some details, and the more experienced hands forget to mention them sometimes.

It took me 4 installs to get wireless working with Suse, and I'm looking at several more tweaks to get my setup just right.

Have you checked the obvious with sound (volume turned up?). And we have just exhausted my experience with sound.

Good luck.
Bruce.

hakukani · 11-28-2005, 06:35 PM

If you want to learn linux command line basics, the Rute guide and the slackbook are great places to start learning.
Just search for them.

Have fun.

Emmanuel_uk · 11-29-2005, 02:16 AM

and next time please find a better title
and explain what hardware you have, what software you are using,
and any relevant error if any

It will work, corage

Prefect · 11-29-2005, 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by koricVI
Now one problem is that whenever I look for solution on these forums there are answers like "this works for me" then some code...

most of the time, they post a part of a config. For example, if somebody posts the following code:

Code:

Section "Monitor"
  Option                 "CalcAlgorithm" "UseFrameBufferTiming"
  DisplaySize  432 324
  HorizSync      30-81
  Identifier    "Monitor[0]"
  ModelName      "SyncMaster"
  Option                 "DPMS"
  VendorName    "Samsung"
  VertRefresh  56-75
  UseModes        "Modes[0]"
EndSection

they copied it outta xorg.conf.
Now, if you tell us what soundcard you're using, we can prolly give you a little config like this.

pixellany · 11-29-2005, 08:32 AM

You have my sympathy....
Whoever called Bill Gates a drug dealer was actually more right than wrong (even though he was forced to apologize).
In the beginning, all we had was the command line---therefor, we needed to learn a few basics to survive. Windows and Mac took that away from us.

Best advice I can give is : One step at a time, read the manuals, read the forums, AND: use google..........
When you get an error message---eg some file that cant be found---just type the words into google. This will almost always lead you to useful info.

koricVI · 11-29-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by Emmanuel_uk
and next time please find a better title
and explain what hardware you have, what software you are using,
and any relevant error if any

It will work, corage

Please find better title... well what else would be appropriate for someone who wants to establish right away that I dont want any Linux-user lingo ?

Explain what hardware I have for who? I was searching for a tutorial on Fedora 4, its not like my computer's hardware will change the entire source code of my operating system

Relevant error of what and for whom?

pixellany · 11-29-2005, 04:09 PM

You DO need to have a title that relates to your question---not for us, but for you. The point is to increase your chances of getting usable responses.

"Absolute Noob" isn't even a question....

tuxrules · 11-29-2005, 04:25 PM

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Please find better title... well what else would be appropriate for someone who wants to establish right away that I dont want any Linux-user lingo ?

What seems a non-issue to you may be something really important to others...never make assumptions based on your views. Imagine you are an experienced user (knowledgeable to solve others questions) surfing through the forum...would be care to look at million "absolute noob" threads but to look at a meaningful title and reply to that user.

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Explain what hardware I have for who? I was searching for a tutorial on Fedora 4, its not like my computer's hardware will change the entire source code of my operating system

You think every little thing needs a source code change. We are talking drivers here...drivers are as diverse as the hardware used in the computer...hence your assumption that hardware is trivial defeats the whole purpose of your posting this. If hardware was so trivial you wouldn't have any of those problems.

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Relevant error of what and for whom?

Of programs that you are trying to run or trying to configure for those who would care to answer if that's what you expect.

Tux,

koricVI · 11-29-2005, 04:41 PM

Charred · 11-29-2005, 04:46 PM

A good rule of thumb is to use your error message as a title, you can explain your lack of experience in the message body if you feel the need.

Please tell us what your soundcard hardware is, what you have done to try to activate your soundcard, and what error messages (if any) you have received when trying to use your soundcard, and we'll see what we can do to help you out.

koricVI · 11-29-2005, 04:48 PM

i fixed my sound... yet again that wasnt what my post was about.

tuxrules · 11-29-2005, 04:51 PM

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The drivers are rather irrelevant unless there is a tutorial (oh yes thats what my post was about... perhaps you could have read it?) for every computer, with every different possible hardware configuration out there? Well if thats the case then point me to a tutorial for a T41 with all 12 optional features paid for. Really... I'm interested...

That should be your job to search it is **YOUR** hardware and it affects **YOU** not **ME**. The whole point of this forum is that people who had previous knowledge of working on similar or same hardware can help you when you are stumbled. This forum is not for ground up education. If you need ground up education...look a good book or search google.

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Second my title is quite relevant

NO IT IS NOT...but perhaps you are right and everyother experienced LQer is dumb and all moderators don't know what they are doing. Or perhaps there are other reasons why we have sticky sticking out right at the top.

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And people who read this in the future would realise that it might just have information that applies to them (assuming people dont just come here knowing everything, but you sure did right?)

Imagine a future newbie would come here with same exact problem as yours and tries to search with relevant keywords...is he going to find out "absolute noob". NOT REALLY. I sure did not know much about linux but I learned reading this forum, books and google. But I don't see you going far. With that attitude...you hardly have room to learn.

Tux,

Charred · 11-29-2005, 06:28 PM

koric,

This is not a usenet group, so you can drop the attitude. We're real people here, not 1a/\/\3rz looking for an excuse to flame you.

You got a link to fedoraforum, and if you've been looking like you said you have, you'd have come across the Rute tutorial and several Linux newbie user's guides by now.

If you haven't found any, then here're some for you:
http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/
http://www.tldp.org/
They're not Fedora specific, but Linux is Linux.

You were given an explanation as to why people say "this works for me" and then post code.

We were even kind enough to offer to help you with the sound card you mentioned wasn't working.

If this wasn't enough for you, than I don't know what will be.

koricVI · 11-29-2005, 07:55 PM

errr... i know this is going to sound incredibly tacky but ... sorry

I've only ever used 2 other forums in my life, one was a bunch of teens who WERE just looking for an excuse to flame someone and the other was a forum where if you didnt understand all there terminology they PMed and harrased you constantly... I just took your replies as a little more hostile then they were... my bad.

PS: whats a /\/\3rz