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Old 05-09-2014, 09:02 PM   #1
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Question Thunderbird via IMAP and which console based email program best?


The situation: all systems are Slackware based, all but one are x86-64, with enough RAM and such to run Thunderbird.
Thunderbird is set up with the email provider via IMAP. Out of convenience I use the same external 2,5" HD to keep it's local folders on all x86-64 machines... since I can only run/work on one machine at a time anyway...

But then there is the old laptop I work on as well, it's not able to run a 64 bit system, and is also low on RAM and got only a one core CPU...
It's just not quick and wellö equipped enough to run Firefox and Thunderbird...

So, I lack email reading and writing on that machine for now...
I could log into the provider via Firebird / https, but the Email provider changed its web page many months ago, and the new one is programmed so badly that it takes huge resources to run halfway smoothly, and therefore this way reading/writing email is no option on that slow machine.

The only solution is to use a console based email program. I already worked with mutt and pine in the past.


But my main issue is: how to keep the outbox of my then main local Email folder updated - the one that runs with Thunderbird?

When I sent a mail, Thunderbird copies it to it's local "sent" folder/database...

But what will happen if I use pine or mutt (or any other console based email program) on the other machine?

Once in a while I need to search for messages, or need to proof that a certain email got sent by me, and exactly when I did so...

It would be nice if, when sending an email via the console solution, the sent mail could be synchronised with the "sent" folder of Thunderbird as well. But how to set this up?

Also, when reading emails via the console email program, the same emails Thunderbird also needs to get and display these same already read and probably already answered emails it's Inbox, since I want Thunderbird to be my "first choice" email solution...
Also, it would be perfect to let Thunderbird know when a certain email already got answered, or I forwarded it or such...

Is there a way to set up either mutt/pine to do the above, or do I have to set up both mutt/pine and Thunderbird...


Is what I want not possible at all?
 
Old 05-12-2014, 09:36 AM   #2
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With the console mail program, I would set it up to copy yourself on every email you send. On thunderbird, you can set a filter rule so that mail you send yourself is routed to your sent folder.

You should also make sure the console app doesn't remove email from the server when it downloads/syncs new messages.

AntiX comes with alpine mail for a console-based email app. I've not used it, but it seems fairly full featured. I know it has the ability to automatically send a copy of an email to an address (I think its called "File Carbon Copy" in the setup routine. I do not know if it supports imap, but it looks like it might.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 09:15 AM   #3
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Thanks dolphin_oracle for the reply.

Never heard of alpine (as in: console-based email program), I will check it out...
 
Old 05-13-2014, 10:14 PM   #4
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Alpine is a rewrite of pine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28email_client%29) . And you can use alpine with imap mail servers, even with gmail.
 
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dolphin_oracle, I missed a crucial part of your post: I don't really get what you meant with " set it up to copy yourself on every email you send."

To make it clear, I add my recent my goals and ideas and questions on that matter:
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I have 2 main PCs that run Linux

The first is a Dual Athlon with enough RAM and CPU to both run Pale Moon (a "optimized" Firefox) and also Thunderbird.
This runs Slackware based recent Porteus x86_64 Linux.

The other one, a notebook, is not capable of 64 bit arch, it also runs the same recent Porteus version, but in its i686 variant, has only a single core CPU and the GPU uses it's shared RAM. It also gets waaay too slow when I try running both Pale Moon and Thunderbird.
Also, it's internal harddisk usually runs slower than a USB 2.0 external HD... :P


The first PC (the quick Dual Core x86-64 one) has Thunderbird configured with IMAP to my mail account.


Now I want one slim console based email Program for the notebook, and I want it via IMAP as well...

The issue, I want when I read and read & replied to a email., or moved or deleted an email on my notebook that my "main" PC also reflects these things.

Would that work? When I delete an email, it gets also deleted on the email server, that's what I want.
So, with deleting there should be no issue, the "main PC" should not again list any deleted email.
Or would that not work out of the box like so?

Also, with moved emails, would that work with server "subfolders" as well as with local folders, when I created the same folders on both IMAP program databases of course?

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Old 08-07-2014, 09:14 PM   #6
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with imap its not important to copy yourself. I often copy myself on emails because our work email is pop, which doesn't sync particularly well across devices. so I manually delete from server every so often and cc myself on sent mail so that all my mail (sent or received) is on all my devices. ugly but it works for me.

imap syncs between clients with the version set on the server. It will do what you want, you just have to set the settings the way you want. I know this will work with thunderbird, I assume it will with alpine, since it seems to support imap.
 
Old 08-07-2014, 11:12 PM   #7
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Thanks, dolphin_oracle

So, aside from configuring Alpine using the same email account, and also IMAP... what else do I have to do? Should all not work out of the box?

At least with Thunderbird at the beginning I had some work to do,since my German based email provider uses some German named folders and omits some common English named ones... But by manually syncing Thunderbird all was fine.
(Took me duckduckgo'ing and reading posts and articles and howtos to finally get the right info, but all is well that end well... )

Maybe Alpine is clever enough to not need that, but then again, when you want (orin my case: need) to use a certain program, often you have a bit of work and tweaking to do before it all works well without glitches...

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So... testing would go like so:

Sending myself an email, say, from the Linux running Thunderbird.
I then should get that email on both machines in the inbox.

Now, when I delete that very email on the Alpine running Linux, some seconds later kinda "magically", that email would be deleted from the Thunderbird inbox as well?

Cause that never worked like so when ran on both machines a quite similar setup of 2 Thunderbirds, but like I wrote: the slower notebook sucks so much trying running both FFx (back then) or now: Pale Moon AND Thunderbird... so, Alpine it will be...

(Hopefully there is already an Alpine Module created by someone of the hard working Porteus crew and community if not, I will make me one...)

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Old 08-08-2014, 01:42 PM   #8
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Here's a howto setup alpine with gmail, which should help you getting alpine set up to your mail provider.

https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~csadmin...for_IMAP_Gmail
 
Old 08-08-2014, 04:31 PM   #9
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That's quite easy looking... Now I have to get my hands on the i686 Porteus module of a recent and stable Alpine.

Is there a version you would recommend? Or is there even a version you would tell me not to use cause of known issues? or is recent Alpine just good enough?
 
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Is there a version you would recommend? Or is there even a version you would tell me not to use cause of known issues? or is recent Alpine just good enough?
I just use whatever version is in the current CentOS/Fedora repos.
 
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I just use whatever version is in the current CentOS/Fedora repos.
The one I get via the default package manager is: alpine-2.11-x86_64-1 (to check it out on the quicker machines. I presume it will also be alpine-2.11-i686 for the machine I really need it for...
 
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Switched PCs, now I use one of the quicker ones, still want - x86-64 - alpine instead...

I installed and setup alpine.

Works fine, reads all folders, lists emails, I can read the emails, I can delete ("expunge") emails, or move them to local folders.
Not figured out how to move an email from an IMAP folder to another, though.

But the main issue: I cannot send emails! Does alpine need an external command for that, like qmail or sendmail?

The error I get is this:

Code:
[Mail not sent: Bad sequence of commands]
 
  


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