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Old 11-19-2007, 03:03 PM   #1
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Question Printing on my Router attached printer


Over the last year or so, I have been trying to swap away from total dependence on Windows. However, I have to set certain standards before that happens.

I have a small home network of three machines all linked to a US Robotics router for internet access. My main printer (an HP Laserjet 2420) is linked by USB cable to the router so that any of the machines can use it without needing any of the other machines running. The router provides the following as the printer's address:
http://192.168.1.1:1631/printers/My_Printer

Under Windows, it works without problem.

I cannot persuade any version of LINUX to see this printer unless I move it from the router connection to my own machine - and that then means that the other two machines lose it.

I am not at this time prepared to consider changing the other machines to run LINUX as there are still several essential Windows services I use that have not as yet been replicated to our satisfaction.

Here's the setup:

Machine 1: Dual Boot - Windows XP Professional and Fedora 8
Machine 2: Windows XP Home
Machine 3: Dual Boot - Windows 2000 and MEPIS 6.5

Machines linked by cabled Microsoft Home network using U.S. Robotics ADSL 4-Port Router Version: 3.04L

Incidentally, I've tried most permutations - e.g.
Machine 1 on LINUX, 2 and 3 on Windows:
Machine 3 LINUX, 1 and 2 Windows:
Machine 2 Windows, 1 and 3 LINUX:
Machine 1 LINUX, 2 and 3 off....

Note: If I select "other type of printer" and give it the URL as shown above, CUPS accepts it but nothing happens when I try to print!

Suggestions gratefully accepted.

John
 
Old 11-19-2007, 04:33 PM   #2
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Looks like an IPP port from the router, CUPS should be able to connect to that just fine..

Set up the printer as IPP on http://XXXXXXX:1631/printers/printername and the printer should work..


CUPS bug in Ubuntu don't know if this would affect you or not.. No clue if it was ever resolved, or in what version of CUPS

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Old 11-20-2007, 06:57 AM   #3
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Looks like an IPP port from the router, CUPS should be able to connect to that just fine..

Set up the printer as IPP on http://XXXXXXX:1631/printers/printername and the printer should work..

CUPS bug in Ubuntu don't know if this would affect you or not.. No clue if it was ever resolved, or in what version of CUPS
Thanks for the suggestions.

Installing as an IPP printer as you describe worked but test pages merely joined the queue. Output - zero.

The Ubuntu bug describes my sysmptom very well - other than I've never had it working! The hardware described is almost the same. My router is a model 9107 and I suspect that fact that I've a different printer on the end of the wire isn't important. The bottleneck smacks of being between the USR Router and CUPS.

When the other half isn't in the middle of something, I'll try the trick of re-starting the router and see what happens to my test document!

Was there a solution or did the user just give up?
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:03 AM   #4
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Looked like the user gave up and the bug report died a year ago because no more action was taken on fixing it..
The bug report expired and was never resolved as far as I can tell.. I was unsure if the issue might have been fixed coincidentally by now, since it's been over a year..
 
Old 12-02-2007, 04:29 PM   #5
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Looked like the user gave up and the bug report died a year ago because no more action was taken on fixing it..
The bug report expired and was never resolved as far as I can tell.. I was unsure if the issue might have been fixed coincidentally by now, since it's been over a year..
The more I dig, the more I'm sure that this bug is exactly the issue. By way of experiment, I also installed Fedora 8 on the other Linux machine just to see how two identical versions behaved together.

I had a little fun with the network file sharing routine but in the process of sorting that out, I noticed that two printers had been installed on the second machine - without any instructions on my part.

The first was the offending Laserjet - and no, the other machine couldn't get to it either but, the setup routine had also installed - correctly - the Epsom Inkjet which is attached to a USB port on my main machine. That worked without further adjustment unlike when I set it up as shared on Windose, where I had to play with both machines to get it to share.

So, both Linux setups can now print - albeit to an Inkjet - It would be nice to get to the laser, but until the CUPS bug is solved, I've at least got somewhere.

How does one encourage the CUPS team to tackle a bug?

John
 
Old 12-02-2007, 06:00 PM   #6
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Is the bug in CUPS, or in the implementation of IPP on that router ? If it's an issue with the router, I don't know that the CUPS team would put forth the effort to work around a single bad implementation by a hardware vendor..

For the CUPS team to FIX the problem they would need that same model router to work on.. it's doubtful they will go hunt one down. however if you report the bug and offer the offending hardware to the developers, then they may work on the bug.

Personally when I last ran into an issue like this, I just bought myself a new router from a different manufacturer, and the problem was solved.
 
Old 12-03-2007, 05:40 AM   #7
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I'm a simple Scotsman - and as such spending money replacing hardware isn't something I go for with enthusiasm. Last year when I started considering Linux as a way out of the Microsoft trap, I connected to the internet using a ADSL modem provided by my IP. That had worked for both machines running Windows but Linux didn't want to know.

The intital advice from the forum was to dump it and buy a router. After a bit of digging, I did get the modem to work - again thanks to some help from the forum.

However I had by then decided to replace the modem as originally advised. I deliberately looked for a market leader - and US Robotics seemed to fit the bill.

Anyway, my issue is that although the bug report identifies the manufacturer as USR - and my kit is also USR, I'm not keen to spend more cash trying another manufacture without some stronger evidence that it is a problem with USR rather than simply because of their market position, the bug report happens to involve their kit rather than another supplier!

My challenge now becomes :- Find someone in the middle of France with a non USR router (with a USB printer link) prepared to lend it to me for a couple of hours to test the issue.

It's times like this when I wish I still lived in the UK or had decided to move to the States or Canada rather than rural France :-)

John
 
Old 12-03-2007, 10:02 AM   #8
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1] USR's homepage may have a firmware upgrade for your model - it' worth checking.

2] If your printer has an Ethernet connection (I think it has) then try plugging that into your router, and then simply setting it up as a Network printer. If you do this, you'll need to make sure the printer's IP address is in the right range (eg if your network IPs are 192.168.0.x then the printer needs to be the same, not in a 10.0.x.x range). I have had excellent results with Networked HP printers.
 
Old 12-03-2007, 10:20 AM   #9
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I purchased a Networked Samsung laser for home (ML-3051N).. SOOO easy to get working in windows and Linux over the network. and the printer was around $200.00. I know that's not an option for everybody, but I tend to spend time doing a bit of research before buying any hardware. I've never been a fan of USB printers, I've had to mess with way to many of them in the past for bizarre printing/connectivity issues. Give me an old fashioned parallel port or a network interface on my printer please!!

Sorry to the OP I don't have any other suggestions for you. There are small stand alone USB Network print servers available as well, but that's going to be another expense, just a little cheaper than buying a different router.
 
Old 12-04-2007, 03:57 AM   #10
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Regretably I needed the next grade up for a Ethernet port on the printer and I've already checked for a firmware upgrade for the router. Nothing on offer from USR.

Again thanks for the ideas but for now, it's Inkjet printing on Linux.

It's more an inconvienience rather than a serious problem. If I hit a situation where I need a large print run I can always take the USB cable off the router and plug the laser printer directly into a USB port on the computer.

I'll keep looking for a different router to test the idea that the fault is with USR rather than CUPS!

John
 
  


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