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Old 02-25-2013, 04:41 PM   #1
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Hi gang,

I'm no geek by any stretch of the imagination. Some of you may have noticed. However, I want a divorce from Google and everything Google related, like Gmail, Yahoo and Youtube. There's something very creepy about how much this outfit wants to know about its customers and I've had enough of it. Can anyone recommend a service provider that provides proper geeky mail and news servers for a monthly fee so I can be liberated from Website-based everything? I'm thinking along the lines of Demon Internet back in the 1990s - anyone remember them? Are there any old-fashioned 'customer-comes-first' type providers like that still in existence? My current ISP is C&W and their tech support guy (probably under 25yrs I would guess) didn't know what I was talking about when I asked him for the settings for Usenet news, smtp, pop3 and whatnot. Said he'd never heard of such a thing! I want to go back to dedicated mail and news clients; is that really too much to ask?

Please rescue me from web slavery!!

Thanks, CC.
 
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Why on earth would a geek think that their ISP is at all related to their email provider?? That's nuts. That's for your aunt who refuses to change provider as she doesn't want to get a new email address.

a "geek" would see an ISP's job to be to connect them to the internet without messing around with anything. Not providing bolt ons and the likes. I'm sure that C&W have imap and pop3 details if you ask someone. it's extremely common, but as above... why on earth would you want your email to be with your ISP??? Why not somewhere like Hushmail if you want to appear all "off the grid"?
 
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Why on earth would a geek think that their ISP is at all related to their email provider?? That's nuts. That's for your aunt who refuses to change provider as she doesn't want to get a new email address.

a "geek" would see an ISP's job to be to connect them to the internet without messing around with anything. Not providing bolt ons and the likes. I'm sure that C&W have imap and pop3 details if you ask someone. it's extremely common, but as above... why on earth would you want your email to be with your ISP??? Why not somewhere like Hushmail if you want to appear all "off the grid"?
Not bothered about being "off the grid" as such. I'm not up to anything underhanded on the net so don't require anonymnity. I'm just rather fed up with Google in whatever guise constantly requiring more and more personal information from me. I'd sooner ditch their free services and pay monthly so as to not get nagged. If I can use dedicated mail and news clients without having to change my ISP then that's fine - provided I don't need to get any settings off them, since they're unable to provide any.
 
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well go use any one of the myriad of other email providers out there.
 
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There seems to be the msiconception that your mail-provider and your ISP are in any way related. They are not, you can choose any mail provider you want without your ISP even noticing it.
 
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OK, well I will refer back to C&W and request to speak to someone more senior, then.
 
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ah, the wild '90s on the 'net. I was there.
Usenet and all.
ISPs did provide the usenet 'back in the day', but those days are long gone.
The threat of litigation from Uncle Sam (DMCA) has forced most ISPs to discard it.
 
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I quit using gmail and all Google services about a year ago. But it seems you are confusing your ISP (C&W) with Google products and services. Google is not an ISP.

For email, I like lavabit.com, and riseup.net. I don't really do usenet any more, so i can't comment on that. For searching, I like startpage.com. Lots of folks use DuckDuckGo, too.
 
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Yes, I tend to get hypoxia at this time of year as the house has been shut up over the winter and the air quality is very poor. It just creeps up on you and it's not until someone reminds you you're talking rubbish that it jogs your memory and forces you to do something about it. I need to get out more.
 
  


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