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Old 11-18-2004, 10:44 PM   #31
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telnet to your router, use the inside address
check on the configs in it.

for dsl you don't need to have a ppoe login.

yes, you can use the win box for a bridge for your nix boxes to the net.

get a switch so that you can have more than one box on line at a time. if you have the money to build five boxes, than you can afford a $20 switch.

most isps don't support linux, it doesn't pay for them to. talk to your isp and see if they support mac, if so, then talk to one of them. they'll know more about *nix than the ms people will. plus most of the people that your talking to read off of a cheat sheat and not know what's actually going on.
Old 11-19-2004, 08:36 AM   #32
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The DSL standard is ppoe. Every ISP I know of uses ppoe to authinicate.

Post modern,
It doesn't matter if you used the win98 box or your nix box that was the firewall/gateway. Check out or

You were using Kppoe before and everything worked for awhile. Seems very wierd to me. Earlier you said that you could still use Kppoe and get a connection. Could you ping an outside Ip address? You never stated if you could or not. Try to ping and see what happens. Also you could do a traceroute to see how many hops you can get out. Ping this from the firewall and not from behind the firewall. Oh thats my static. As a temp you could use my proxy at and see if you can surf. I will have it visible to the outside till sometime tommorrow. I am using squid and dansguard and I want to show the old school that I use to be the admin for this and see if I can get another parttime job back with them.
Old 11-19-2004, 08:56 AM   #33
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Do you have a network?
Unless money is a problem why not purchase a hardware router/firewall available through atleast 20 vendors? I personally wouldn't connect to the internet without one. They range from $30.00 - $100.00. I have not seen a DSL provider that they won't work with.
Old 11-20-2004, 04:09 AM   #34
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Post Modern,
As far as the paranoia jokes, we were just having a little fun... I guess having done tech support for an ISP I am so used to just ignoring their support (or lack therof) for Linux and getting them to help me connect that I forget how bad it really is to try and get them to help you when a Linux box won't connect.

As far as your network, it sounds like:
a) your ISP uses PPPoE, this is proven in the information you have posted before.
b) you have a PPPoE client on the 98 box
c) you also are trying to use a PPPoE client on the Linux box
note: most DSL connenctions use PPPo<something> but nowadays they usually lease or sell you a device that does the PPP stuff (They sometimes call it PPPoA) in it, instead of passing that task off to a computer, like your ISP appears to be doing.

You should be able to set up the PPPoE client on the Linux computer to log in to your ISP when it turns on, regardless of whether you have logged into that machine as a user. This would mean that you can then remove the PPPoE software that is installed in Windows 98 (kill winPPPoEOverEthernet, from the Verizon install disk) and set it up in Control Panel -> Internet Options so that you are "wired to the Internet through a LAN." Try Start->Programs->Accessories->Communications->Internet Connection Wizard (I think that's it, the ICW is somewhere in the accessories menu but it's been awhile since I used 98.) and "set up my Internet Connection manually", "I connect through a LAN."

You should have the Linux box set up to do it's PPPoE stuff and log into the ISP when it is powered on; Once it is powered up and has done that you should then have Internet access on both the Windows 98 and the Linux machine. Check out for the DSL howto specifically the Bridged vs PPPoX Networks section if you have problems with the PPPoE client in Linux.
Old 11-20-2004, 07:44 PM   #35
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I thought that Tier one read from books...

I don't have a LAN - all I'm running is a single system to surf with, running on Red Hat 9.0, as has anything that touches the net runs since 9.0 came out (actually, we started w/6.0), and has been sufficient until last month, when this problem cropped up.

As the Westell Infospeed modem is a dumb appliance, it makes sence to me that I have to use a PPP0E protocol somewhere, if for nothing else but to communicate as a user.

My problem didn't exist until last month, and consequently, since then, only this win98 box has been able to surf for me. we explored the possibility of this being a common problem.

In four blocks square, 20 out of 24 families we asked about the Internet were all having the exact same problem, they could log-on, but they couldn't surf - all Verizon customers - the other 4 were on cable.

Slowly, most of them started to be able to surf again, mostly on win boxen, but our Nix boxen remained stubborn, and wouldn't log-on.

This brought me to the conclusion it wasn't my particular problem, followed by a slew of conversations w/Verizon, including a Tier Three Tech who had a Nix box @ home, and swore he knew how to get to the core of the problem for me.

I'm still here.... they all did the same thing, and the win box is the only one that surfs for me... <<shudder>>

BTW: I can bring up a telnet session, but as soon as I start to connect to with the win box, it locks up the session, and I have to shut the session down, it's useless -

The Nix boxen, on the other hand, just go into a loop, and I never get more than a white screen out of them, all 6 (Nix) systems do the same thing....


What you're saying is, that the firewall I was using was insufficient ??

And, I should try a more serious firewall ??

The first time I pinged you, I got anywhere from 26 to 82 ms responses, the second time I pinged you (a few hours later) I couldn't connect.



I do not have a LAN, I'm a single system user on the Internet (altho, I do have a rather nice LAN behind me, that never touches the Internet, that's what this system is suppose to be for).

We've been using a bulldog box for many years now, that's an old 486 without a hard drive, running an old 2.2 version of Nix in memory, and until last month, it was sufficient.


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Old 11-20-2004, 08:05 PM   #36
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It's ok - I have a sense of humor too....

I'm not paranoid, I'd like to think I'm beyond that, if I could only figure out who those people are that are crawling around in my bushes outside....

(BTW: I do have friends that fly those absolute black copters...)

So - in part C) , you state that you believe that they're passing off the connection to my Nix box, instead of using the modem - would that change make Nix suddenly think I was a LAN instead of a single user ??

(Does that mean, I can finally get rid of that lump on my desk, and connect directly to the ethernet card ??)

(Would that also indicate that my dumb modem was serving as a LAN connection all this time ??)

We've been using Red hat since 6.0 and Mandrake since 5.something (as I recall).

Suddenly the Nix boxen only log-on as LANs ?? And we have to log-in as a user ??

The whole point is that I'm not a LAN, and I'm not interested in windows <<deep shudder>>, files and folder sharing, MuddZ, piles of software D/Ls, or any of that stuff.... I've never even done Email on our boxen.


Last edited by Post Modern; 11-26-2004 at 09:30 AM.
Old 04-28-2005, 09:49 AM   #37
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Verizon is just incompetent

I've had several problems with Verizon, and have come to the
conclusion that they don't hate Linux, they just don't understand
what they are doing enough to support more than one OS...

The problem described above sounds suspiciously similar to one I
had in late 2002 as well (I'm a Verizon customer in eastern MA).
They upgraded their servers to one using a slightly more broken
version of PPP, and I lost my network connection. Calling "tech
support" didn't help one bit, they couldn't even tell me if I was
using an upgraded server, just that they had been upgrading...

To talk to the "upgraded" servers, you need to add
one option to your /etc/ppp/options (or /etc/ppp/peers/? file):

Without this option, PPP to Verizon no longer works...

Right now, my beef with Verizon is that their DNS servers are VERY overloaded,
which results in many "server not found" messages when browsing.

A quick check with dig shows that the network to their servers is swamped
and dropping packets like mad. Switching to nameservers other than Verizon
fixed the problem. I called "tech support" and they claim there IS no problem.
If anyone else is experiencing this, please call and let them know.

Speakeasy, here I come,
Old 07-03-2005, 10:38 PM   #38
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I think Verizon may not be digging direct DHCP connections anymore, or they're incompetent or both. I help a friend who purchased an overpowered Dell box-he got an 8400 when a 4600 or even a 2400 would have done just fine for him; just the same he had a Westell 2200 modem that up and died on him. I happened to have a 2100 hanging around, so I gave him that. Windows reported the broadband card broken. I enabled DHCP, and tried to fix the IP addy. No soap. The best I could do is get a PPPoE connection going; and that will log on, but it likes to kick you off. I took my Puppy box up and tried to see if I could log on. DHCP was a no-go, and PPPoE went but with no surfing at all, and I tried to log on to the admin addy for Westell modems, and that was refused(I knew that was coming, cos the javascript only works under IE). I'm going to try that from his machine next and see what happens. Maybe it will fix the DHCP problem.
Old 07-05-2005, 12:44 PM   #39
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The interface used to connect to the Westell modem should be assigned a static address
(try something like The PPPoE connection will automatically assign an
address to your machine --- it is not done via DHCP.
Old 07-05-2005, 12:46 PM   #40
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BTW, Verizon seems to have gotten a clue about their DNS woes. Their servers are no longer completely swamped !


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