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Old 11-14-2004, 10:15 PM   #16
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could it be a DNS problem?


Had a problem somewhat like this with very slow name resolution only on my Linux machine. 2 WinXP machines were just fine. I switched from Sympatico, my DSL provider's DNS to some public, free ones, and everything seems ok now. Perhaps try that?

If you think there' s something to this, try pinging a site by name e.g., www.yahoo.com, and then pinging it by its IP Address. Compare the numbers. If the DNS is working properly they should be almost identical, but if the name one is much longer, then you probably have a DNS problem, in which case, switch.

Here are some public ones:
216.231.41.2
216.254.95.2
64.81.45.2
64.81.111.2
64.81.127.2
64.81.79.2
64.81.159.2
66.92.64.2
66.92.224.2
66.92.159.2
64.81.79.2
64.81.159.2
64.81.127.2
64.81.45.2
216.27.175.2

cheers,
Scott
 
Old 11-15-2004, 07:46 AM   #17
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You would think so, wouldn't you ??

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Darin:

Quite the quandry, eh ??

I can "log-on", I just can't surf anywhere.

And, if I don't allow network sharing, and log-in as a LAN, I can't get on-line at all.

Both the LAN and the user log-on using eth0, and my system keeps telling me that "something else is using the system".

And, I can't log-in to my localhost, no matter what I do, the closest I can get is a blank page.

I can do anything I want other than surf, but when I try and get on, the same thing always happens, and I'm dead in the water.

5 systems now (including the original, which worked for about a year correctly) and I still had to put togeather a MicroDud 98 box, just to get on-line....

And, the 98 system keeps telling me to contact my administrator if I want to shut off VPN, or try and change from being a client for Microsoft Networks to a windoze logon.... and it's MY system....

I'd allmost think I'd been caught by someone who thinks they RuLe, but we're talking about 5 brand new Nix systems here, one at a time, all doing the same thing, and I still have to use a 98 box if I seriously want on-line......

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Old 11-15-2004, 07:52 AM   #18
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Nope....

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Scott2004:

Been there, done that....

I'm not getting more than a 2 or 3 ms variation, no matter who I ping (I did several w the Tier three Tech from Verizon when I talked w him... he gave me addresses he could monitor, and watch me bounce in and out)

I was ready to pull my board, and run signals thru it, to look for bad capacitors, memory fade, sink holes (grounds), etc., till I realized it was the same way on five different Nix boxen, and the 98 box (the only one made out of used parts) was running fine.

The only variable I'm not in control of was the "upgrade" Verizon did a few weeks back, which happens to be the exact same time this all started happening to me....

Odd, huh ??

I think I'll try an Ubuntu box, I hear it runs right from the install, andf nobody's complained yet....

This box seems to run smooth enough, I may just swap the hard drive for a blank one, and give it a go....

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Old 11-15-2004, 08:13 AM   #19
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other options -- other ISPs?

Hi PM:

Sorry I can't be of more help. Do you have anywhere else you could take one of the nix boxes to plug them in? Is there a computer lab or internet cafe handy that might let you use a DHCP connection? The idea is that then you could try another ISP and see if it's the connection to Verizon that's causing the problem. If so then you might consider changing your ISP, if that's an option. In my area nobody supports Linux of course, but there are lots of high speed ISPs to choose from. Just a thought... one you may already have had.

Cheers,
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Old 11-15-2004, 08:29 AM   #20
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That's OK....

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Scott2004:

Thanks for the reply - this is getting on my nerves.

Yes, I've considered it.

I'm sitting along side a complete dish set-up while I type this....



The idea of going to another station with my box is a good one.

One of the reasons I originally posted this in the Security board was, that I thought if I could get someone up to speed on what's happening around here, we might be able to explore the possibilities of that new "law" booshiepoo just authorized - it seems that very quietly, all ISPs are ordered by this new thing to do a complete scan of every hard drive using their system, so the Govt. can look for "terrorist indications, anit-american activities, and hacking toolz.

Just before all this started to happen, I noticed something was beating my hard drives, they were running hard and fast, like something was trying to shred my files, even if nothing was running.
Which only occured when I was logged-on, even if I wasn't surfing.

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Old 11-15-2004, 08:50 AM   #21
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What really needs to be done is look on or under your westell modmen for the reset putton (pinhole) and reset back to defaults. Hook up your winblow 98 box and open up IE. Soon after doing that you should get the config page for your modem. When you do that look up at the address bar and change the file name at the end to (config) to see if you can put you modem into bridge mode. When thats done take your oldest comp and setup a smoothwall router and have it do the ppoe. This used to work fine when I had version. All companys use PPOE as it is the easyest way to authinicate.

Sound like you can authinicate, but verizion might have done mac address locking. I don't know as I don't use them anymore.
 
Old 11-15-2004, 04:17 PM   #22
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hello

i'm running WinXP and FC3 dual-boot on my Toshiba Satellite Pro m15-s405. The Network card is an Intel something and my Verizon DSL modem is a Westell 2210 ? or something like that.. i'm not at home right now so i can't check.

Well, it works fine for me with Linux.... i have it setup as a eth0 and DHCP and it works fine.. no problems at all... since i've been using FC3. However, before, i had SUSE 9.1 and i couldn't get it to work there.. i gave a call to Verizon and they said it should work out of the box with anything.. Win, Mac, *nix, anything... and now it does with FC3 so i don't know... but the idea of them blocking *nix boxes from surfing is scary...

Regards,
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Old 11-15-2004, 05:14 PM   #23
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Phatboyz:

Thanks for that - I'll give it a go tonight, but I'll have to load IE back in - the first thing I learned was about bloatware (and spam), so I always (use to) use 98Lite, and never do Email on my system, so naturally, when I set up this box, the old ways came pouring back in, and I deleted IE, and installed FireFox....

pandasonic:

My thinking was more along the lines of IF Verizon is complying with the new "booshie Laws" about all IPs scanning their clients systems, they may have taken a policy of blocking out systems that they can't get into.

Adding one line of code, in a system that the owner can't read (or interpret) the code, and it's easy.... and nothing short of a full blown programmer can straighten it out....

And our systems are as hard to crack as it gets (at least, we hope so....) we use sandboxes that have no hard drives, and install an old flavor of Nix (2.2) into RAM, set up the communications, then shut the sandbox down. The thing about old versions of Nix is, that even shutdown leaves the ethernet cards "on" (like wake on lan), so we can surf thru the sandbox without it even being turned on.... in fact, that's what this system's going to be after I beat this problem with a stick...

<<laughter>>

The one thing about Federal Laws, is, that they don't have to tell you what they're doing - in fact, in most cases, they're told not to......

(BTW - are you on Verizon ?? - That's what giving us all this heart-burn....)

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Old 11-15-2004, 05:19 PM   #24
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Hi. I'm using Verizon with a Westell 2200 modem, which is working fine.





Here are a few steps to try:

1. Reset the modem by pressing the pinhole for like 30 seconds. Grab your win98 box and make sure your able to connect to the Internet.

2. Connect the Nix box to the modem and try to ping google.com. If that is successful type that into the browser. If the page does not come up on the browser, use the IP address of google.com, i.e. type http://216.239.57.99 in your browser. If that does not work Then there maybe a problem with the configuration of the browser your using on the Nix boxes.

3. Try accessing the modem configuration again on your win98 box. Post a reply if your able to access the modem configuration page. The ip is usually http://192.168.0.1 or http://192.168.1.1 (My Westell modem uses 192.168.1.1)

4. If that doesnt work post the win98 IP configuration by clicking start->run->cmd-> IPCONFIG /ALL.

Good luck.
 
Old 11-15-2004, 05:50 PM   #25
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I seriously doubt that Verizon is blocking *nix systems. First off if one had the skills one could make a windows box appear as a *nix box and the other way around. There isn't any way, short of them actually sitting down at your system, to verify what OS your running. I'm not sure what "booshie" laws your speaking about, but even if it states in their TOS that they can scan their IPs for open ports they can in no way gain access to your system without breaking state and federal law, something I'm sure they try to avoid. Also, unless they are complying with a federal, state, or local wiretap warrent then they DO have to apprise you of any monitoring they are doing of your traffic. To not do this would amount to wire fraud, and runs counter to wire-tapping law. No offense, but take off the tin-foil hat.

I've had a experiance similar to yours setting my mom up with bellsouth. Turns out it wasn't actually the ISP, but rather the modem that was the problem. I'm not 100% sure of the technical details unfortunatly as the fix I found (on dslreports.com) was scant on info. Appearently the way Linux and Windows handle PPPoE is different. The modem manufacture supposed that most people would be running Windows, so they geared the modem for that. I had to change the modem from acting as a router to acting as a bridge, and after that it worked fine.

Another thing you might want to consider is asking them about MAC address restriction. Unless I'm mistaken I think only cable companies do this, but it sure couldn't hurt to ask.

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I can "log-on", I just can't surf anywhere.

And, if I don't allow network sharing, and log-in as a LAN, I can't get on-line at all.

Both the LAN and the user log-on using eth0, and my system keeps telling me that "something else is using the system".

And, I can't log-in to my localhost, no matter what I do, the closest I can get is a blank page.
I need some clarification here. You say you can "log-on" but can't surf. You say you can ping IP addresses. If you go to an IP address in a browser what happens? Try a different browser. Try lynx. Try telnetting to port 80 at a known good http server IP.

What do you mean if you don't allow network sharing and log in as a LAN you can't get online at all? What does network sharing have to do with logging on to a PPPoE server?

You also say you can't log-in to your localhost, but get a blank page. Can you tell me what this means? If your on a *nix box and your pass the first username/password prompt you've gotten logged on to the localhost.
 
Old 11-16-2004, 12:41 AM   #26
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...take off the tin-foil hat...
need some clarification here...
You don't have to be so paranoid, I've been watching you from the black helicopter and you look like you just need to take a breather. (JOKE!)

Do you log into Xwindows and open a shell to do these pings that I asked you to test in your previous post? if so then what exactly happens when you open a browser (Mozilla, Netscape, Konquer, Galeon, Lynx, pick 1) and try the same site you pinged?

In 98 no need to worry about which browser, just open one and try to get to your modem's config page. Mozilla works, so does exploder or even opera if that's your fancy.

What exactly do you mean by the user login and the LAN login and the localhost login? You should be logging into your computer as a user and that computer will be on the LAN or connecting to the ISP or both no matter whether you log in or not or who you log in as. There is no logging in on eth0 or eth1, you log into a computer that connects through a network card like eth0; These are two different things and it makes it less confusing to troubleshoot if you could differentiate them.

Basically, to help you out we need more clarification on what you mean in the comments that cyberliche quoted.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 12:38 AM   #27
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Cyberliche:

I was thinking about MicroDuds' vesting six billion dollars into Verizon to switch over to MicroDud (protocol ?) software, so MicroDud could be more homogenous with their system, and what effect (if any) that might have on Nix users.

"Booshie" is our wonderrrful president, and with the integration of the Homeland Security Act (and a few other acts our Govt. has passed quietly), there are no more "wiretap Laws" for the Govt.

They only enforce those Laws on people like you and me.... any branch of the Govt can do pretty much whatever they want now.



As we are talking about new FEDERAL LAWS, the opinion posed in your post is invalid, be that as it may, no, I don't wear a "tin-foil hat" (did you mean an Orgone Collector ??)



It could be the router, but I have no way to access it, so I can't tell.

Short of buying a new one.

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"I need some clarification here. You say you can "log-on" but can't surf. You say you can ping IP addresses. If you go to an IP address in a browser what happens?"
Nothing - literally.

Sometimes I wait 45 minutes, and all I get is a white screen, which eventually times out.

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"What do you mean if you don't allow network sharing and log in as a LAN you can't get online at all?"
I mean that I'm not a LAN, I'm a single user, but the system logs me
in as one (w/DHCP on eth0), which, in itself doesn't allow me to surf. When I
bring up a browser, it tells me I'm not connected to the Internet.

I still have to log-on to the Internet as a user (w/PPPoE) to make the connection, but it does me no good, I can't surf anywhere. Then, the system tells me there's somebody else using the system (probably the LAN connection).

Any other configuration, and I can't even make a connection - I spent three days exploring that possibility...

If I shut down the LAN connection, I get kicked.

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"If your on a *nix box and your pass the first username/password prompt you've gotten logged on to the localhost."
Yes, you're right.

And no, I don't.

When I start-up, the (Nix) system(s) all tell me they can't find the host, and should it log-in anyway, so I do.

After that, I failed to find a way to do even simple things, like change my password, as I can't get a response at all trying to bring up my localhost.

NetAx:

On this (win98 system) I can do what you asked about, all except for resetting and reaching my modem config page, it keeps telling me that it timed out, and I should seek my Administrator (that would be me).

The problem is on the Nix boxen, they can log-on line, but they can't surf anywhere.

As for the IPCONFIG /ALL report, it says connection refused, no matter how many times I try, on-line or not.

Phatboyz:

I'm using an Infospeed, and there's a band of holes wrapped around the front of the system, top to bottom, lined by a metal plate (probably for cooling), and, except for that pattern, there's no other holes anywhere else on the modem.

Darin:

BTW - I have friends that fly those helicopters...

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"Do you log into Xwindows and open a shell to do these pings that I asked you to test in your previous post? if so then what exactly happens when you open a browser (Mozilla, Netscape, Konquer, Galeon, Lynx, pick 1) and try the same site you pinged?"
Yes, in a shell, and I get an average of 28 to 32 ms.

As for the browser - nothing - the browser (no matter which one I bring up) just simply won't D/L a page, no matter what site I try to goto. I even went thru this with a Verizon Tier Three Tech, that's when they told me there's nothing wrong at their end, and it had to be my system.... and I should go back to WinDoze.

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"In 98 no need to worry about which browser, just open one and try to get to your modem's config page. Mozilla works, so does exploder or even opera if that's your fancy."
No deal - on the Nix boxen, the browser just keeps running until it times out, and on the win98 it tells me access was denied, and I should contact the system administrator (that would be me).

And, the win98 box is a fresh install, put togeather just for this thread, the only thing I did was remove IE, install FireFox, a virus checker and Shields up.

(And winPPPoEOverEthernet, from the Verizon install disk)

(BTW - I'm not paranoid, and I make no claim to be Mr.Computer, but there is something wrong here, and I'm pretty sure it's not at my end....).

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Last edited by Post Modern; 11-17-2004 at 01:24 AM.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 11:13 AM   #28
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Which infospeed modem are u using, I will search through some docs and help you get into bridge mode, then take that winblow box and add another etho card and install smoothwall. I assure you that if there is no problem on your end this will fix this.

I just look at some info for this modem and it seems as if its a dumb modem. Uses software to do ppoe from a windows client. Smoothwall should work for this.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 11:56 AM   #29
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Question

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<<oops - sorry - posted before I saw your second paragraph....>>

<<Edit::>>
So.. Let me get this straight - and please correct me if I 'm wrong:

My modem is little more than a transformer in a fancy box, and instead of using a bulldog box that doesn't even have a hard drive, you suggest I use this 98 box for a firewall/router on a single system ??

And then, my extra Nix boxen should work over these lines/go in the closet/whatever... ??

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Old 11-18-2004, 07:08 PM   #30
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Was I right ??

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Am I getting it correctly ??

What you're suggesting is a separate firewall/router for a single system, and then use my Nix boxen thru the firewall/router ??

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