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Old 11-11-2004, 05:00 PM   #1
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Is Verizon going anti-Nix ???


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I live in Northwestern Massachusetts, about 20 minutes from Brattleboro Vt..

For the last almost month, I haven't been able to get on-line with a Nix box.

Verizon (of course) denies any knowledge of updates or changes that would change access in any way, but I have 5 brand new boxen that say otherwise.

One at a time, I built them, and hooked them into my Westell Modem, but none of them worked - the same exact problem - connect, but do not pass go, do not surf).

About 3 weeks or a month ago, I was surfing with my Xandros box (that I've used to surf with for the past year or so), and got disconnected.

I called support, and they said that they had just started an upgrade to their system, but the phone answerer wasn't sure to what part of the system it was being implimented on.

Three days later, I'm still not getting on-line. Two weeks later, I'm still not getting on-line.

(ACTually, I'm getting connected, I just can't SURF anywhere - no where).

So - I call again, and of course, can't get past phone suport no matter what I do, so I mention that I'm using a Nix box, and the phone room nuts up on me, and informs me that they don't support anything but MicroDud, but they'll ask.

To my amazement, I get a Tier Three worker, who uses Nix at home, and he assures me he can find the problem.

We go thru my system togeather, ping, tracerout, check browser defaults, connection defaults, folders, installed packages, start-up routines - the whole 9 yards.

Nothing.

Two weeks later (up to today, thursday the 11th), I'm still not on-line, so I set up yet ANOTHER box w MicroDud 98, and POW - I'm on-line and surfin like crazy.

The one really ODD thing I see, is even to get on-line (let alone surf), the Nix systems all require networking to be turned on, just to get on-line at all, and I only have a single box on-line at any one time....

I also just noticed that Verizon appears tohave started blocking ports 139 and 80....


Anybody got an idea of what's happening around here ??

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Old 11-11-2004, 05:14 PM   #2
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What is the model number of the modem? What type of internet service are you using DSL, cable etc...

IMHO blocking port 139 aka smb is smart. smb traffic is very insecure and your local network should be behind a firewall.
 
Old 11-11-2004, 08:12 PM   #3
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Verizon going anti-Nix ??

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It's an Infospeed B90-38R5 15-01 using a DSL connection from Verizon

(BTW - I don't mind them watching out for my protocol or my NetBios, I block that from my system myself anyway) , but -

The question begs: why only Nix problems ?? All the systems were darn near identical, but only MicroDud 98 works....

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Old 11-11-2004, 08:53 PM   #4
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It does beg the question. I probably can't help you either except to ask dumb questions.

I do not understand what you mean by odd stating that networking has to be turn on in order to connect?

Is the modem connected to the PC via ethernet cable?

When I use to have SBC DSL I could connect but not surf if the network adapter attached to the modem was activated prior to pppoe starting.
 
Old 11-11-2004, 10:02 PM   #5
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I have one ethernet card, a Netgear FA311.

I have a Westell Infospeed that Verizon just checked out, and it's working fine.

The phone company cleared out the lines (re-routed the traffic) and ran signals up and down my lines, all the way to the connectors in the junction box, and everything's fine.

My lines are clear, and solid, all my hardware is in top running order, and all my connections and software are new or in like-new condition.

If I want to log-on to the Net, I have to let the system file-share, and sign on as a LAN.

In fact, if the modem isn't signed-in as a LAN modem, using DHCP, I can't get on-line at all.

AND, that in itself won't get me on-line -

I have to log-on as a user too, using the same modem, and PPPOe, or I can't get on at all.

Then, the thing has the nerve to tell me that someone else (the LAN connection) is using the system too.... and I can't get it to go anywhere -

I tried to goto Google last night, so I did my thing, and went out and had dinner, and when I came back, it was still trying to load Google....

The provider tells me I have a problem, but the same thing happened with 5 other boxen, and nothing worked till I put togeather a WinDud 98 system, and hooked up to the modem, using the same Westell Modem, the same lines, and the same kind of ethernet card.

???

Boom - I'm on-line.
 
Old 11-11-2004, 10:45 PM   #6
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Moved: This thread is more suitable in the linux - Networking Forum and has been moved accordingly to help your thread/question get the exposure it deserves.
 
Old 11-11-2004, 11:05 PM   #7
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Thanks - as there are some obvious security conserns here, I wasn't quite sure where to place this....

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Old 11-11-2004, 11:33 PM   #8
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i can almost gurantee its not a anti nix action its most likley a networking issue or a software issue beacause you can get online with a mac,win,linux, ps2,xbox, or even if your toaster had a ethernet connection ud be able to get online so my guess is networking issue
 
Old 11-12-2004, 02:04 AM   #9
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post the results of typing this in at a console as root:
ifconfig -a

You mentioned PPPoE which is a method where the network card to the DSL doesn't have an IP address it just sends PPP signals to the modem which bridges the ethernet traffic to the DSL and sends those signals out to the ISP. The ppp actually does authentication, similar to dialup but without tying up the phone line or the 'modem noise', so it will require setting up a username and password although there are PPPoE Linux clients that do this automatically once they are set up. If your ISP uses PPPoE then you should have an eth0 with NO IP address assigned to it and then a ppp device listed in ifconfig that DOES have an IP address.

It's also possible that the 'upgrade to their system' switched to not using PPPoE, if this is the case you should have an IP address on eth0 that ends in a number besides 1, such as 192.168.0.254, and typing http://192.168.0.1 (or whatever the first three numbers from your IP address are with a 1 at the end) in a web browser will open up a web based configuration for your DSL modem and then you put the username and password into the modem instead of the PPPoE software on your computer.

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Old 11-12-2004, 09:00 PM   #10
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OK - here's what you asked... :)

OK, here's what I get without being logged on-line:

[root@localhost.root]# ifconfig -a

eth0 Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:5B:1B:E8:82
inet addr:10.0.0.10 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen: 1==
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes 168 (168.0 b)
Interrupt:5 Baseaddress:0x1000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
Inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.00.0.0
UPLOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RXpackets:126 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 frame:0
TXpackets:126 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes: 7876 (7.6 Kb) TX bytes: 7876 (7.6 Kb)

When I log-on to the "net" I get this:


eth0 Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:5B:1B:E8:82
inet addr:10.0.0.10 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:15 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:20 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen: 1
RX bytes:1328 (1.2 Kb) TX bytes 954 (954.0 b)
Interrupt:5 Baseaddress:0x1000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
Inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.00.0.0
UPLOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RXpackets:146 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 frame:0
TXpackets:146 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes: 9130 (8.9 Kb) TX bytes: 9130 (8.9 Kb)

pppO Link encap: Point-to-Point Protocol
inet addr:141.154.165.223 PtP:10.14.1.1 Mask:255.255.255.255
RXpackets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 frame:0
TXpackets:7 errors:0 dropped:0 overrun:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
RX bytes 630 (630.0 b) TX bytes: 302 (302.0 b

Then I go back to root@localhost

As for the IP ending in '1':

Nothing. I get 2 responses:

1) A blank page
(on Mandrake 9.0 - logged in as root)

2) Not authorized access, contact system Administrator
(on the MicroDud system)

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Last edited by Post Modern; 11-12-2004 at 09:08 PM.
 
Old 11-12-2004, 11:12 PM   #11
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I had a similar problem here like a year ago I was used to RR speed and changed to verizon b/c it wasw cheaper after a month 1\2 I swithed back to RR. I didn't have service most of the time and when I had it was slower than dial up, but I never thought it was linux, but now make sense b/c some of my neighbors have the same service and it works just fine
 
Old 11-13-2004, 09:51 AM   #12
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Tyr these to see where it's broken, from a command prompt as root while connected: (CTRL-C stops the ping, as long as you get a reply move on to the next one)
Code:
ping 127.0.0.1
ifconfig ppp0
(then ping the inet addr it lists, like 141.154.165.223 from above)
cat /etc/resolv.conf
(then ping one of the nameservers listed)
ping 64.179.4.149
ping www.slackware.com
if you can't ping the nameservers then it might be a routing table issue, post the results from 'netstat -r' otherwise post back with what worked and what didn't.

P.S. if logged in as a user you can change your console to root by typing 'su -' and using root's password. You can cut and paste text from a console window in X using the edit menu for that window. The output of commands can be dumped to a file by adding two >'s and a filename at the end of the command like:
ifconfig ppp0 >> /mnt/windows/dslprobs.txt
 
Old 11-13-2004, 11:05 AM   #13
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Quote:
Then I go back to root@localhost

As for the IP ending in '1':

Nothing. I get 2 responses:

1) A blank page
(on Mandrake 9.0 - logged in as root)

2) Not authorized access, contact system Administrator
(on the MicroDud system)
What does this mean? What are you trying to do?

If you can not get a webpage like www.google.com to display then try:
log off the net.
ifdown eth0
log back on
 
Old 11-13-2004, 04:46 PM   #14
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Michaelk:

I'm trying to get on-line with a Linux box, just after Verizon did an "upgrade" to their system around here, and nothing but a MicroSux system seems able to log-on. The problem has existed for about a month now, and I've built 5 Nix Boxen and put them individually on-line, and none of them can do more than connect - they log-on, but I can't go anywhere - ex: the other night, after 45 minutes, the system was still trying to D/L a Google page....

Darin:

Here's what you asked for:



[root@localhost root]# ping 127.0.0.1
PING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) from 127.0.0.1 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.600 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.035 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.035 ms

--- 127.0.0.1 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% loss, time 3997ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.032/0.146/0.600/0.227 ms
[root@localhost root]# ifconfig ppp0
ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
inet addr:141.154.148.21 P-t-P:10.14.1.1 Mask:255.255.255.255
UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1
RX packets:15 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:17 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
RX bytes:1537 (1.5 Kb) TX bytes:1750 (1.7 Kb)

[root@localhost root]# ping 141.154.148.21
PING 141.154.148.21 (141.154.148.21) from 141.154.148.21 : 56(84) bytes of data.64 bytes from 141.154.148.21: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.048 ms
64 bytes from 141.154.148.21: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
64 bytes from 141.154.148.21: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
64 bytes from 141.154.148.21: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms

--- 141.154.148.21 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% loss, time 2997ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.032/0.036/0.048/0.007 ms
[root@localhost root]# cat /etc/resolv.conf
search localdomain verizon.net
nameserver 151.202.0.84
nameserver 151.203.0.84


# ppp temp entry
[root@localhost root]# ping 64.179.4.149
PING 64.179.4.149 (64.179.4.149) from 141.154.148.21 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 64.179.4.149: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=64.9 ms
64 bytes from 64.179.4.149: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=64.8 ms
64 bytes from 64.179.4.149: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=64.8 ms

--- 64.179.4.149 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% loss, time 2016ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 64.850/64.879/64.915/0.295 ms
[root@localhost root]# ping www.slackware.com
PING slackware.com (64.57.102.34) from 141.154.148.21 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=111 ms
64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=2 ttl=44 time=111 ms
64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=119 ms
64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=4 ttl=44 time=112 ms

--- slackware.com ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% loss, time 3028ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 111.340/113.650/119.388/3.342 ms
[root@localhost root]#

BTW: thanks guys - I really appreciate the help and consern -

(Edit:After re-reading that last part, I thought it might be offensive to perhaps someone out there, so I removed it - that crack about being new was a bit out of line... I hope I didn't hurt anybodies feelings...)

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Last edited by Post Modern; 11-14-2004 at 12:40 AM.
 
Old 11-14-2004, 05:32 AM   #15
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Originally posted by Post Modern
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[root@localhost root]# ping www.slackware.com
PING slackware.com (64.57.102.34) from 141.154.148.21 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=111 ms
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At this point you have everything you need to "get on The Internet"; You can ping yourself, your internal and Internet external IP addresses, you can resolve domain names to IP address and ping computers on the internet by IP address or by name.

If all that works, you should be able to open up a web browser and go to sites on The Internet, if you are still having problems then please explain what exactly it is that is not working. It's possible that the web browser you are using has some bad settings but that's about all that is left because according to the results of your pings you should be working fine.
 
  


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