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Old 03-14-2003, 03:05 AM   #16
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Cool. Good luck with it all.

"Life beings when you register your first domain."

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Old 03-14-2003, 03:44 AM   #17
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I prefer www.joker.com - I have had nothing but good experience - then I use www.xname.org and self name-serving.
My ISP told me that static IP was available as an option (for free) when I got my service - this is no longer offered with them now and they require a block of 5 IP's - I also have another 5 through another ISP which I only use 2 - it is crazy that one must buy 5 and seldom needs more than one.
 
Old 03-14-2003, 04:02 AM   #18
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I've heard good reports about joker myself actually. Another contender. Hmmm, that xname with the source code looks mighty cool!

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Old 03-14-2003, 10:29 AM   #19
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Note on the price...

domain prices vary. If I recall a .com costs $35.
When I bought my domain (it's a .ms domain) it cost $50. Although it was a number of years ago, and I'm not sure if it changed since then.

A quick lookup : http://www.register.com//faq/intl-pricing-faq.cgi?1|3581000087|CO1

tells me it's now $75.

I'm not entirely sure how you get to the figure of $15 a domain - that's less than the price ICANN set for registering it..

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Old 03-14-2003, 12:31 PM   #20
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Question A basic Question?

This has been a very interesting thread. I had a very basic question though. I have been thinking about grabbing a domain name to play around with as my hobby site. I was wondering, what exactly is needed? I have seen places that register and host, park, forward, and other. Given the situations below what would I need?

Case 1:
Home computer has static IP from ISP
Site is served from home computer

Case 2:
Have a pay-by-month hosting company
Site is hosted via this company.

I am hoping that all I need to do is purchase the domain name. I am not sure what is involved with having it point to the two different hosts above. Mainly, the DNS hosting is unknown. I guess as I read above, if I hosted the on my personal machine I could run the DNS server. I would also assume that the host company for Case 2 would provide this. Humm.... Just making sure I have all my penguins in a row before I start anything.

Also, if I need to forward to a different port to get around the ISP in Case 1 how is that handled?

Sorry for all the questions. I have wondered this for a while and thought this thread would be a good place to finally ask.

Thank for the help!

PhilD
 
Old 03-14-2003, 01:04 PM   #21
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Oky...

When you purchase a 'domain' you're basically paying for the priviledge of having your name registered in a global database.

That's it. Or at least, that used to be it. To register a domain you need to provide *two* DNS servers which tell that registry what ip address to resolve your domain into.

You used to have to run those two servers yourself. You used to have to register with internic, who changed their name to ICANN. ICANN maintain a list of 'authorised domain registars'. These *used* to be just internic, and a bunch of country specific people - So, if you wanted a domain in the .uk directory you'd have to talk to the maintainer of the .uk repository.

These days they've opened up the registration process and you can (given enough money, connections etc) open up shop as a registrar yourself. When someone signs up with you, you'll submit the name they signed up for with ICANN (for a fee) and charge the consumer fee+markup. Most often you'll provide the name services required to register the domain aswell... Here's where you get the value-added services. If I register slickwilly.com with register.com they'll submit my entry to ICANN (who may or may not approve it) and they'll tell ICANN that to find the ip address for slickwilly.com goto register.com's DNS machines. They'll ask me what my IP is, and add it into their DNS.

They'll charge me $35 to do that.

Should I want to change my ip address I'll have to go to register.com and tell their DNS machines that it's changed (they have a nice web form for that).
This is your case 1.

If my IP address changes dynamically I'd have to go and change my dns information on register.com every time that happened, and between the time I did that and my address had changed people wouldn't be able to get to my site. (Some poor sucker who inherited my ip address would start seeing lots of web traffic, ftp requests, ssh attempts and suchlike hitting their box :P)

So.. a bunch of companies sprang up who deal with that - dyndns, dhs.com, x(something) I forget. They essentially do the same as above, but give you a bit of software which allows your machine to tell them when your ip address has changed, and it'll automatically update the DNS servers which they run (and which your domain points to) with your new ip address.

This is *essential* if you have dynamic ip addresses as your DNS servers (which ICANN knows about) have to be static.

Case 2: is like case 1, but instead of services being located on your home computer they're located on someone *elses* computer out there on the internet somewhere. Most often the services we're talking about are web services. Sometimes things like game servers (Quake, Unreal, NeverWinter Nights). Sometimes Muds... There are servers out there for allsorts.

The important thing here is that the dns entry is maintained by your hosting company, using their dns servers and points to their web/game servers. None of this traffic ever hits your home machine and life is good. You're paying by the month for the services (web/game/mud) and the traffic generated by them. You'll find that your basement $10 monthly bill will *rocket* if you start generating tons of traffic - you're normally good for between 1 and 5 gig of traffic a month before they complain.

Port forwarding is provided (mostly by the dynamic dns people) to get around port 80 blocking by cable companies. It allows you to do something like this :

I have slickwilly.com. I want to run a webserver on my cable modem, but they block port 80.

I assign www.slickwilly.com to forward traffic sent to it to myipaddress:81. I then run my webserver on my linux box at home on port 81, and people can hit www.silickwilly.com and it'll actually return a web page - they don't have to put the nasty :81 on the end..

Bear in mind, that if you're on a cable modem your terms of service probably prohibit the use of servers (read : web server) and doing this could cause them to whinge at you.

Note: I don't have slickwilly.com. If it's available, you're more than welcome to it

Hope this helped.
Slick.
 
  


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