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Old 07-09-2008, 08:10 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by jamesapnic View Post
Lets face it, who can blame them with the plethora of distributions and ways of doing things. Its not like windows where there is a single set way to get something to work and everyone runs one of a small subset of versions.
There is no reason that a vendor cannot officially support--eg--RedHat, Ubuntu, SLED. If they support even ONE of the mainstream distros, the community can leverage that into support of all.
 
Old 07-13-2008, 03:12 AM   #17
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Hmm... I've seen arguments saying Ubuntu is becoming synonymous with Linux, as its most popular beginner distribution, plus Dell's adoption of it to preload on some of its machines. Do you think, notwithstanding that "choice of distro" is one of the advantages of Linux, that there should be a "flagship" distro for mass acceptance that everyone in the Linux community should get behind and promote - regardless of the distro they personally use?

Jamesapnic's comment about the plethora of distributions sounds similar to the way personal computers used to be in the 8-bit era of the late 70s to mid 80s. Until manufacturers started to standardise behind the IBM PC model ("PC clones" they used to call them), then every manufacturer brought out a completely different computer with different architecture, totally incompatible with anything else on the market - hardware, software or OS-wise. The nearest thing they had was CP/M which was compatible with Z80 processor machines. Kinda.

Nowadays you can buy any hardware for the PC (whoever built the PC itself) with a 99% chance that it will work. Although, of course, this is because the PC world has also standardised behind Windows as the "single operating system"...

Should Linux have a "single distro", at least so that we can present a united front to possible new Linux users and hardware manufacturers alike? I mean, it's not like people are committing themselves to Ubuntu just because they start off with it. Once they grasp Linux itself, they can always just switch to a distro of their choice...

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Old 08-25-2008, 02:07 PM   #18
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Unfortunately, I now have to re-post this question because BT have now "upgraded" their basic package to include a wireless router, rather than the ordinary wired one! So, same question then: can anyone confirm that the BT wireless router they offer on their website is compatible with Linux....?

I should have got the wired one while I had the chance! Procrastination, eh?
 
Old 08-25-2008, 02:51 PM   #19
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My mum has one at home, and I have successfully connected Ubuntu, Slackware, Debian and Xandros (eeePC), both wired and wirelessly, to it. This is obviously only possible if your wireless card works in the first place! Certainly the wired connection is fine.

In fact, if memory serves, the BTHomeHub actually runs Linux: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01..._breaking_gpl/
 
Old 08-26-2008, 01:14 PM   #20
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Ah, so I need a "wireless card" to make this all work - which as far as I know my PC does not have. But, couldn't I just buy a regular wired router and use that instead of the one BT supplied? Or would a wireless card be cheaper?
 
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No, you don't need a wireless card. It is a traditional "wired" router, but it is also a wireless router; there's no need to buy any new equipment.
 
Old 08-26-2008, 03:01 PM   #22
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Yes - both the older BT Voyager and the newer Home Hubs (1 and 2) come with wired ports you may connect to. The Voyager 2091 and the Home Hub 1 had one ethernet and one USB. I have successfully connected using both ports with Linux - although the speeds of the USB are somewhat low. The Home Hub 2, I believe, has four ethernet ports.

I have also connected wirelessly to both models fine.

One thing to watch out for is the security. I think all three models mentioned have WEP as the default encryption and I have managed to retrieve the pass key from a Home Hub in about 5 minutes. I would strongly advise changing this to WPA which is much harder to crack.
 
Old 08-27-2008, 07:22 AM   #23
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Thanks for the advice. The one thing I did think about was all the scare-stories I have heard about wi-fi connections and security. There is really no reason for me to be wireless, it is no great problem for me to run a cable round to the phone socket, and at least (as far as I know) no one can "hack" a wired connection!

Right... broadband here I come then!
 
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If you have no plans to use the wireless, you're probably best just turning it off, that way, there's no possibility of someone cracking into your network. Also, change the default administrator password on the router to something more secure than the default, which is usually something stupid like password or admin.
 
Old 08-27-2008, 02:51 PM   #25
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Also, change the default administrator password on the router to something more secure than the default, which is usually something stupid like password or admin.
Yes - thankfully BT changed the ridiculous admin, admin default with the Home Hub v6.2.6E software. From than on it became admin and the device's serial number. Obviously each device has a unique serial number so unique password. It's still a good idea to change this though. - edit Looking at recent vulnerabilities it seems that getting the serial number from a newer Home Hub is still trivial though.

Also, as stated, if you're not using wireless, it's a good idea to turn wireless off from the router.

I would also look at closing down port forwarding (I think this is the default) from the router and possibly even setting up an iptables script to firewall your box.

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Old 09-10-2008, 06:20 AM   #26
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Here I am again - my BT home hub has just been delivered. And, unfortunately, I am having trouble getting online with Ubuntu. But I'm sure it's just a settings thing because I am (at the moment) online with Windows XP using the home hub and it's all working fine.

In Ubuntu, I did open up my browser but got no connection to anything. There is no IP address written on the box. Do I need to change/add to any of the Ubuntu settings? I even tried "roaming" but got nowhere.

With XP, I did not even have to install the software they gave - XP found the connection and used it. I am linked into the hub using an ethernet cable.

Any advice, please?
 
Old 09-10-2008, 06:26 AM   #27
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Please post your /etc/network/interfaces file

[Edit]
You need to make the eth0 part of that file look like this:
Code:
# Bring up eth0 at boot time
auto eth0
# Get a LAN IP by asking the Homehub for an address with dhcp
iface eth0 inet dhcp
# Done configuring eth0
Then it will be started at boot, if the cable is plugged in, and the router turned on.
To start the connection manually, in a terminal:

Code:
sudo ifdown eth0
sudo ifup eth0
To find your PCs LAN IP address, in a terminal:
Code:
ifconfig
And look at the address assigned to eth0
[/Edit]

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Old 09-10-2008, 06:56 AM   #28
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All it says is:

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider ppp0

Which "eth0" part?
 
Old 09-10-2008, 07:05 AM   #29
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Which "eth0" part?
If it isn't there, then make it .
Also, you don't need the ppp stuff, so take that out:

Code:
# Configure the loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# Configure eth0
# Bring up eth0 at boot time
auto eth0
# Get a LAN IP by asking the Homehub for an address with dhcp
iface eth0 inet dhcp
# Done configuring eth0
 
Old 09-10-2008, 07:47 AM   #30
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No, still no luck. And when I type sudo ifdown eth0, I get "eth0 not configured".

I know it's not a physical connection or hardware problem since I can get online fine with XP.

On the network configuring window in Ubuntu, should it be "dhcp wired connection", or "roaming"?

IFCONFIG gives:

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:21:85:0F:9A:F0
inet6 addr: fe80::221:85ff:fe0f:9af0/64 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:4294967266 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:34 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
Interrupt:17 Base address:0x6000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:640 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:640 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:48096 (46.9 KB) TX bytes:48096 (46.9 KB)


... and my "interfaces" file now reads:

# Configure the loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# Configure eth0
# Bring up eth0 at boot time
auto eth0
# Get a LAN IP by asking the Homehub for an address with dhcp
iface eth0 inet dhcp
# Done configuring eth0

auto eth0

(It appeared to have added the extra "auto eth0" line itself, as I rechecked the file after rebooting when it still didn't work. Is there a spelling mistake anywhere?
 
  


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