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Old 07-20-2020, 07:54 PM   #16
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Bad news.

Seems to have come with a defective battery.

Sitting still, no apps running, dark, and the battery went from full to 40% in 4 hours.

Now I'm waiting for their response.
Did you enable Crust? 5hr battery life is normal without it.
 
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Old 07-20-2020, 08:12 PM   #17
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oh boy.

What's Crust? Nothing I saw mentioned it. A search on DDG comes up empty.

Now I'm really mad - no excuse for something like that not being up front in the package documentation. Especially with a new product.

So how would I enable this Crust?

(Oh, and thank you.)

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Old 07-20-2020, 08:15 PM   #18
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Bad news.

Seems to have come with a defective battery.

Sitting still, no apps running, dark, and the battery went from full to 40% in 4 hours.

Now I'm waiting for their response.
From what I understood this is also work in progress, but these discussion make interesting reading...

https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9235
 
Old 07-20-2020, 09:45 PM   #19
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oh boy.

What's Crust? Nothing I saw mentioned it. A search on DDG comes up empty.

Now I'm really mad - no excuse for something like that not being up front in the package documentation. Especially with a new product.

So how would I enable this Crust?

(Oh, and thank you.)
My DDG search with "Crust Pinephone" got plenty hits.

Ferrari is right, Crust is a fairly recent addition so that would explain the lack of documentation. It appears it showed up after the Ubports CE was already in the works. Did you update your phone? These OS's are under extremely heavy development so this changes fast. Should be able to enable/disable in the settings if you are running the latest builds.

https://forum.pine64.org/showthread....9957&pid=66462

I see no point in getting upset. Had you looked around the web a little(search pinephone on YouTube or lbry) you would have understood exactly what you're buying.

 
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Old 07-20-2020, 10:00 PM   #20
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Only upset about documentation, having started life as a COBOL programmer.
What I see now is stuff written by people who assume their readers or users can read their xxx-in' minds.

A search for "pinephone64 crust" got nothing... what can I say?

Thanks for your comments
 
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Old 07-20-2020, 10:35 PM   #21
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Only upset about documentation, having started life as a COBOL programmer.
What I see now is stuff written by people who assume their readers or users can read their xxx-in' minds.

A search for "pinephone64 crust" got nothing... what can I say?

Thanks for your comments
That's interesting. Removing 64 makes a big difference. Startpage also gets decent results.

Have you found the repo yet? https://github.com/crust-firmware/crust

Most pinephone OS's have this implemented out of the box already but you'll need to update or flash the latest images.

All in all I doubt you'll be replacing your android or ios devices right away but if the development pace keeps up like it has for the last several months it should be soon. Keep us updated.
 
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Old 07-20-2020, 11:01 PM   #22
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I really don't know how a Pinephone user is expected to find this without coming here.

Thanks.

From the repo:
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What is it?

The crust is the lowest-level component of a delicious fruit pie. Similary, Crust is the lowest-level firmware component that runs on $FRUIT (Banana, Orange, Lichee) Pi single-board computers and other Allwinner-based devices, such as the Pine64 Pinebook and PinePhone.

Crust improves battery life and thermal performance by implementing a deep sleep state. During deep sleep, the CPU cores, the DRAM controller, and most onboard peripherals are powered down, reducing power consumption by 80% or more compared to an idle device. On boards without a PMIC, Crust is also responsible for orderly power-off and power-on of the device.
No way I would have had the patience to dig that up. As you saw with the extra "64" in that other one my search skills are iffy.

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Old 07-21-2020, 06:28 AM   #23
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Now I'm really mad - no excuse for something like that not being up front in the package documentation. Especially with a new product.
With pine64, you don't pay for the installed software.
You just buy the hardware.
An OS might happen to be preinstalled, but that's not required.
That's one reason why they're so cheap - they provide the hardware, others develop the software. There is some cooperation I'd assume, but essentially that is pine64's business model. IMO, it's way more honest & realistic than e.g. Purism's Librem 5 desaster.

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I really don't know how a Pinephone user is expected to find this without coming here.
The wiki mentions a whole slew of communication channels and has several pages specifically for the pinephone. But you're right, it's not well organised.
 
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Old 07-21-2020, 07:51 AM   #24
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Having fits trying to get this crust thing going.
Suddenly found that system is read-only. Can't change squat.
Why? How?
How to fix?
Search skills not helping me at pine64 or ubports.
 
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Having fits trying to get this crust thing going.
Suddenly found that system is read-only. Can't change squat.
Why? How?
How to fix?
Search skills not helping me at pine64 or ubports.
I don't (yet) have a pinephone and I've had very little success running ubports in qemu or any of my arm boards so I'm not to familiar with actual use(unlike phosh and plasma mobile). You might try the Ubports telegram channel it's usually pretty active.

What ubports build are you running? Also have you tried booting other OS's like Mobian, PostmarketOS, or even a different Ubports version from an SD card? You don't need to install an OS to your device to run it.
 
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Wow.
Just downloaded some documentation that is dated yesterday, July 19, 2020 - printed out on 107 pages.
That way I won't lose it and it's all in one place.

Found it here https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/u.../location.html
 
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Nothing in these docs so far is working.
The "Crust" fix yesterday didn't work, it turned it into a brick and I had to do a factory reset.
Trying the fix again, "file not found" error on second command this time.

Even with the documentation, it seems that there are critical files not installed and there's no doc to tell me what's going on.
Had enough for now. Maybe come back later. Maybe use it as a doorstop.
 
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You could seek community support from fellow pine64 users of course. I note that https://www.pine64.org/ offers links to forum, IRC, and various other support platforms.
 
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Had enough for now. Maybe come back later. Maybe use it as a doorstop.
I'd be interested to buy it from you?

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Old 07-21-2020, 05:09 PM   #30
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There's several listed on eBay right now. Maybe that would work to recover some losses.
 
  


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