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Bodhi on a tablet, tried that?

Hey!

Okay, some days ago, I asked about android and Java, that sis'nt seem to be a happy match...okay, well, Linux and Java, now that's a great combo, speaking of tablets...anyone ever tried Bodhi on a tablet? Experiences? Good, bad? An other distro on a tablet?

Please share ;)

Thor

Hi,

I suggest that 'Android Forum' site with Android Tablets: 'This forum is for the discussion of any Android tablet'.
That forum would be the best for this type of question.

Thanks onebuck...and android is not really what I'm after. The hidden question (and, yes, it is debatable if that is the right place) here is "can Linux be put on a tablet?" - android was totally pushed out of the picture, I need Java, android hates Java...

Perhaps, indeed, a different forum for this one?

Thor

Hi,

Then possibly Linux - Mobile: 'This forum is for the discussion of all topics relating to Mobile Linux. This includes Android, LiMo, Maemo, MeeGo, LiPS, Moblin, Openmoko, Ubuntu Mobile, Open Mobile Alliance and other similar projects and products.'. I could move your thread to that forum.
:hattip:

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I could move your thread to that forum.

Please do, if it's not too much trouble, and please accept my apologies for posting in the wrong spot ;)

Thor

Moved: This thread is more suitable in <Linux-Mobile> and has been moved accordingly to help your thread/question get the exposure it deserves.

It's being worked on....

Jeff91 is the lead dev at Bodhi Linux and has had an ARM version of Bodhi for a while now....

Here it is on YouTube

The main problem as reported on the Bodhi forums is the diversity of ARM-based hardware and the lack of detailed documentation and drivers for that hardware. Think: lots of proprietary video stuff and more. Hence my focus on the nVidia Tegra SOC family which is both documented (sorta) and supported (sorta) in Linux. My friends at TI say that the OMAP family is intended to be better supported in that regard.

I'm having a go with a Toshiba AC100 (Tegra 250), not made a lot of progress yet, but that's mostly lack of time as well as a shortage of skills... Used to have more skills, iirc. Old age! <sigh>

Ben

@ Thor, sorry can't seem to edit the previous post. Meant to add a link here with more on ARM and Bodhi.

Hey Flymo!

Thanks for the inside info! Maybe it's just me reacting (wrong?) to the hype that everything is going tablet...so it was a thought.

I dev web based stuff on Java, so hence the look-into-this...

I looked at the video, looks promissing. I'll be watching this space for more :)

Thor

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Originally Posted by Thor_2.0 (Post 4517208)

"can Linux be put on a tablet?"

So far, I've never seen a tablet that can't run GNU/Linux.

As for "Android tablets", they should be compatible.
If you like Android and only need some dev tools, you could consider a chroot installation (there's an app for debian in the google market).

PS: I'm dual booting (not-chroot) Android and Debian (with OpenJDK) on an Asus Transformer.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by jens (Post 4518072)

Ever look at iPad? :) Look at the iPad wiki.

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Originally Posted by onebuck (Post 4518080)

Hi,

Ever look at iPad? :) Look at the iPad wiki.

I've only used an iPad1 ... and yes, it does run GNU/Linux ;)

Edit: Nothing against either iOS or Android though.
I only added GNU/Linux since I use it as a small netbook replacement.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by jens (Post 4518098)

I've only used an iPad1 ... and yes, it does run GNU/Linux ;)

Edit: Nothing against either iOS or Android though.
I only added GNU/Linux since I use it as a small netbook replacement.

Sorry to inform you but the iPad does not run Gnu/Linux.

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excerpt from iOS;
iOS is derived from Mac OS X, with which it shares the Darwin foundation, and is therefore a Unix-like operating system by nature.

iOS is based on Max OS X;

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excerpt from History;
Mac OS X is based upon the Mach kernel.[13] Certain parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of Unix were incorporated in NeXTSTEP, the core of Mac OS X. NeXTSTEP was the object-oriented operating system developed by Steve Jobs' company NeXT after he left Apple in 1985.[14] While Jobs was away from Apple, Apple tried to create a "next-generation" OS through the Taligent, Copland and Gershwin projects, with little success.[15]
Eventually, NeXT's OS, then called OPENSTEP, was selected to be the basis for Apple's next OS, and Apple purchased NeXT outright.[16] Steve Jobs returned to Apple as interim CEO, and later became CEO, shepherding the transformation of the programmer-friendly OPENSTEP into a system that would be adopted by Apple's primary market of home users and creative professionals. The project was first known as Rhapsody and was later renamed to Mac OS X.[17]

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excerpt from Mac OS X;

Mac OS X, whose X is the Roman numeral for 10 and is a prominent part of its brand identity, is a Unix-based graphical operating system,[8] built on technologies developed at NeXT between the second half of the 1980s and Apple's purchase of the company in late 1996. From its sixth release, Mac OS X v10.5 "Leopard" and onward, every release of Mac OS X gained UNIX 03 certification while running on Intel processors.[3][4]

So iOS is derived from a UNIX-03 compliant/certified OS.
:hattip:

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Originally Posted by onebuck (Post 4518171)

Hi,

Sorry to inform you but the iPad does not run Gnu/Linux.

iOS is based on Max OS X;
So iOS is derived from a UNIX-03 compliant/certified OS.
:hattip:

Your post is insulting (and reported), I've only said it CAN run Linux (post 10).

What part of ADDING GNU/Linux instead of replacing iOS (or Android for the OP) are you failling to understand as well.

Edit: Do you even know what a "chroot install" means (what I recommended in my first post before you went off topic, again)?

Hi,

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Originally Posted by jens (Post 4518196)

Agree that this is getting off topic.

You are not going to be able to replace iOS with a Gnu/Linux on an a Apple iPad since hardware firmware is locked. If you feel this is insulting, my apologies. Possibly use a emulator like 'Bochs emulator' but why? It would not be the base OS. Chroot has nothing to do with getting it to run on the iPad, you will not be able to load/boot it because hardware firmware is locked.

Some work being done to 'jailbreak' to use the device as wanted but for now it's a hack, most are using the iPad 1G to hack because it is cheaper. Voids the warranty since hardware must be modified.

So let me restate: You will not be able to replace iOS on stock iPads with Gnu/Linux without doing hardware firmware modifications.

So we both are correct in a slim way or semantic sense. You can hardware modify a iPad to run Android, Gnu/Linux with a hardware firmware hack to modify the load/boot capability for the Apple device(s). So if you want to spend close to a $1000 then hack that iPad with possible bricking the device then so be it. You might be able to make the fix/hack but at a Great gamble.

That is why I responded in post 11 to your post 10. iPad is that single device that cannot run alternate OS without hardware firmware modifications via jailbreak the iOS 5firmware.

If you wish to continue this discussion then create a new thread for the topic.

Enough said!

<mod note>
BTW, since I moved this thread to <Linux-Mobile>, I do get a notice of replies to this thread. So not trolling! Interacting as a LQ member within this thread. No where within this thread have I made <mod> statements or corrections until this note. Nor have I been insulting in any way. Maybe challenge your position or statements but not in a insulting manner.
<end mod note>

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Originally Posted by onebuck (Post 4518274)

Hi,

Agree that this is getting off topic.

You are not going to be able to replace iOS with a Gnu/Linux on an a Apple iPad since hardware firmware is locked.

Wrong.
I'm running Ubuntu on my iPad (see the many xda howtos)

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If you feel this is insulting,

The only thing that offended me are you're many links to explain that I'm an idiot.
OS desisign (including all boot methots) is pretty much the only thing I'm good in...

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my apologies.

Accepted.

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Possibly use a emulator like 'Bochs emulator' but why? It would not be the base OS.

No need for an emulator

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Chroot has nothing to do with getting it to run on the iPad, you will not be able to load/boot it because hardware firmware is locked.

The chroot part was for android tabs.
The OP is from belgium, we don't have those silly "don't touch our software" laws.

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Some work being done to 'jailbreak' to use the device as wanted but for now it's a hack, most are using the iPad 1G to hack because it is cheaper. Voids the warranty since hardware must be modified.

This isn't true in Belgium.
It only took me 5 minutes to shape it in the way I like, no hardware mods at all (iOS isn't firmware in an tech way either).

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Enough said!

<mod note>
BTW, since I moved this thread to <Linux-Mobile>, I do get a notice of replies to this thread. So not trolling! Interacting as a LQ member within this thread. No where within this thread have I made <mod> statements or corrections until this note. Nor have I been insulting in any way. Maybe challenge your position or statements but not in a insulting manner.
<end mod note>

Please dont do that, we both know what I meant.
Let's just agree to disagree on on some things.

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by jens (Post 4519120)

Wrong.
I'm running Ubuntu on my iPad (see the many xda howtos)

The only thing that offended me are you're many links to explain that I'm an idiot.
OS desisign (including all boot methots) is pretty much the only thing I'm good in...

Accepted.

No need for an emulator

The chroot part was for android tabs.
The OP is from belgium, we don't have those silly "don't touch our software" laws.

This isn't true in Belgium.
It only took me 5 minutes to shape it in the way I like, no hardware mods at all (iOS isn't firmware in an tech way either).

Please dont do that, we both know what I meant.
Let's just agree to disagree on on some things.

You must be using either RedSnow 0.9.9 or other new hardware firmware for your iPad1 since upgrade to the new iOS 5.0.1 on the iPad is not available other than beta. Newer iOS is allowing the user to modify in a limited sense, at least that's what I read from Apple Inc.. So you can hack your iPad to run 'Ubuntu', I stated earlier that a hack was required for the hardware firmware. This hardware firmware hack does void any warranty by modification of the original hardware firmware. Look at it in the sense that You have replaced the BIOS(Hardware firmware). Simplistic since Apple does use the UEFI protocol for their equipment to control hardware firmware.

BTW, no where did I state physical hardware, you just do not understand that this device(iPad) has the hardware firmware(keys, device drivers, interface configs and other hardware configuration) in place. Easily modified or upgraded legally under warranty via Apple. Your hack had to circumvent the iOS hardware firmware with a patched or linked hardware firmware not the iOS. No where was it stated to replace iOS. iOS uses the hardware firmware to setup/interface with the physical device(s).

No where did I state or imply as you stated:

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'The only thing that offended me are you're many links to explain that I'm an idiot.'.

That is your personal assessment for yourself. No name calling or implication from me. iOS is the operating system, hardware firmware is the device firmware for the iPad. In fact UEFI protocols are used for Apple equipment. For earlier equipment, EFI was the basis for the NeXt hardware firmware. Note, not the OS! You need to provide the hardware firmware (hack) in order to load/boot via the 'jailbreak'. Generally this hardware firmware is just a file stored locally for the hardware firmware.

We do have laws to protect here in the USA as you so noted. Nothing saying a user here in the USA cannot 'HACK' a personal unit to do as they please. My statement about void of warranty stands until Apple Inc. changes warranties.

As I stated before;

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So let me restate: You will not be able to replace iOS on stock iPads with Gnu/Linux without doing hardware firmware modifications.

stands. You had to provide the hardware firmware via a hack in order to get your Ubuntu to work on that iPad1. Glad to hear you were able to get Ubuntu on the iPad1, if that is what you feel fits your needs.

My <mod> note stands for itself as a moderator.

My apologies to the OP for being off topic and carrying things this far.

jens, back on topic. I will stay on topic in this thread henceforth.

<mod note>
jens, please contact me via PM to explain this;

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Please dont do that, we both know what I meant.

I do not know what you have meant or implied in response to the <mod> statement.

This part I can somewhat agree on (notice the single on); :)

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Let's just agree to disagree on on some things.

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My apologies to the OP for being off topic and carrying things this far.

Dont, everything can happen when thinkers collide! :)
I marked it a solved, because my original question was answered:

Is a tablet any good to me?

A tablet needs to run Java Applets, Adroid does'nt like Java, and Linux on a tables does'nt seem feasable. Eh, at least now we all know why OPEN SOURCE works!

The answer:

A tablet is (as things are now) utterly worthless to me.

So I saved some money asking, finding out and ... not buying the thing. Thanks, gang

Thor