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Old 08-22-2011, 01:15 PM   #1
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Question Grave matter of trust regarding linuxmint


Do not read this or comment if you are a fan boy.
As I write you I've been unofficially banned from LinuxMint (unable to recover / reset password since Aug 18th 2011) I ask for your ear and your action regarding linuxmint.
As a former IT tier 3 professional (I am not bragging) and as a personal ethics advocate, there is one thing that irks me beyond compare and that is the slimy OSes (MS Windows) and slimy admins (found everywhere. Power Corrupts aptly applies here)

I doubt I will be able to respond and my ability to respond will be censored but I will say my piece for now.
Here are questions no one asks nor on dares to ask

Why does an honest linux distro need to resort underhanded censorship of criticisms of their distro? My example is my long time password is no longer valid, password recovery is invalid. Having my login attempts set to a negative value (hence banned without notice)

Why does an honest distro need moderators with aliases? We are not in China/Libya/Syria .... here?

Why does an honest distro need to alter core commands and have fan boys attack those question such practice?

Why does an honest distro break and end up breaking / leaking with unauthorized connections even though an experienced user used only strictly tested packages?

I EXPECT more and demand more from a distro.

So excuse my posting for articulation but Linux deserve better.
Kindly post support and elaborate my points.

Recent background.
I have been told told my account is fully functional but when I've tried to log in from several computers with a valid password (I have tried resetting the password) I am still locked out.

I've been a long user of Linuxmint and I am now pissed!
 
Old 08-22-2011, 01:32 PM   #2
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Why does an honest linux distro need to resort underhanded censorship of criticisms of their distro? My example is my long time password is no longer valid, password recovery is invalid. Having my login attempts set to a negative value (hence banned without notice)
This may also be a bug in their forums software. Keep in touch with the moderators/admins to solve that issue.

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Why does an honest distro need moderators with aliases? We are not in China/Libya/Syria .... here?
Because sometimes people that are banned for a reason go for a crusade to have their revenge. i see nothing wrong with moderators having nicknames.

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Why does an honest distro need to alter core commands and have fan boys attack those question such practice?
They are the developers of that distro. If you are not satisfied with them simply change the distro. And fanboys will always attack people that criticize "their" distro, has nothing to do with the distro at all.

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Why does an honest distro break and end up breaking / leaking with unauthorized connections even though an experienced user used only strictly tested packages?
Can you go into further details? That makes me curious.

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I EXPECT more and demand more from a distro.
The point is, since you are not paying them for their work, you don't have the right to demand anything from them. Again, if their actions are not what you want, change the distro.
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 01:41 PM   #3
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Why does an honest linux distro need to resort underhanded censorship of criticisms of their distro? My example is my long time password is no longer valid, password recovery is invalid. Having my login attempts set to a negative value (hence banned without notice)
Are you sure this is caused by your comments, and not a problem with the board? Have you tried emailing the sysops for assistance?

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Why does an honest distro need moderators with aliases? We are not in China/Libya/Syria .... here?
We have handles and nicknames here as well, I see no problem with this. Some people prefer privacy.

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Why does an honest distro need to alter core commands and have fan boys attack those question such practice?
I would have to agree that altering the distribution too much can be a hassle on users. I think a distro should concentrate on being stable, rather than ground breaking. I can't speak for LinuxMint, but Fedora changes things so often it is hard to keep up sometimes -- but on the other hand, they are always on the bleeding edge, trying new things, which I respect them for at the same time.

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Why does an honest distro break and end up breaking / leaking with unauthorized connections even though an experienced user used only strictly tested packages?
Wow. If this is the fact, then they need to get their stuff together and start concentrating on security.
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 01:48 PM   #4
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The point is, since you are not paying them for their work, you don't have the right to demand anything from them. Again, if their actions are not what you want, change the distro.
IMO--

I don't think expectation is "demanding" anything.

But also, I believe that eventually a community distro and its programmers need to appease their base of users by listening to them. If every distro just ignored their users pleas for change or help, then those distros would eventually devolve into the corporate mentality towards users -- which hurts the users, and the distro itself. So at some point a distro has to assume responsibility to meet expectations of the community.
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:26 PM   #5
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I don't think expectation is "demanding" anything.
The OP clearly stated:
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I EXPECT more and demand more from a distro.
(Red color by me)

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But also, I believe that eventually a community distro and its programmers need to appease their base of users by listening to them. If every distro just ignored their users pleas for change or help, then those distros would eventually devolve into the corporate mentality towards users -- which hurts the users, and the distro itself. So at some point a distro has to assume responsibility to meet expectations of the community.
I agree that the user-base is important for a distro, especially when it is community driven.
But if the developers don't want to hear to their community? There is no way to force them to do that. If the community is not happy with that, the users have the choice to use a different distro, or simply fork it and bring it in a direction they want. Has happened many times with different distros. May be the old distro will die, may be not.
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:35 PM   #6
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Then switch distros.

I do find this interesting in the distributions section on your profile with all the boycotting:

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Distribution: MEPIS, Puppy, Mint, xubuntu. BOYCOTTING the bigots @ Vector, Beatrix, BLAG
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:45 PM   #7
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You have more than one email address, don't you? Just sign up for a new account.

A similar thing happened to me (and a number of other people) on gametrailers.com; it started rejecting my logins, and continued to do so even after I reset my password. They also never responded to my emails. Eventually I just signed up for a new account.

Last edited by dugan; 08-22-2011 at 02:48 PM.
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:47 PM   #8
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Then switch distros.

I do find this interesting in the distributions section on your profile with all the boycotting:
The OP seems more upset about his forum account than the failings of the distro itself, right? I mean, he's kind of attacking the fact that the OS has bugs. And that's going to continue on to any distro that he picks -- nothing is completely bug-free unfortunately.
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:01 PM   #9
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I spy a pattern here:

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...people-266297/
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...49/#post800971
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...people-154604/
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:06 PM   #10
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So thats a total of what, 6 distros that the OP has problems with? You're running out of Linuxes.

Fedora has a big following and a lot of support. Maybe try that.
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:14 PM   #11
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Maybe he should try Slackware and see if he gets banned here also.
 
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:12 PM   #12
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This is closed. Because I have the power and an alias. So there.

But seriously folks, as I have said and pointed out many times in the past, as a polite forum LQ does not join in the bashing or complaining about another forum. Forum owners have the right to run their board as they wish, if they get it badly wrong the board dies, if they get it right it doesn't. And we all have the right to only stay on boards we agree with. So, thusly and therefore, if anyone is getting a bad deal from a forum, they are free to leave it and go elsewhere. But, please do so by leaving the problems there.

As I said, this is closed. If you do wish to discuss the direction the distro is going, feel free to open a new thread in the appropriate sub-forum.
 
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