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Old 06-17-2017, 05:43 PM   #16
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Oh! There's "hope"! IF you can ctrl+alt+f1, can you get a cli login to work?
Or any keys to do anything? Like ctrl f2-6, to get to other 5 'virtual terminals'
Or ctrl alt backspace, to kill X gui... Try more of this next time it freezes...

p.s. I'm sooo in-love with sysrq, that I won't give it up yet There's an echo > /sys...
that might be needed to enable it. I think I once needed ctrl too (tho shouldn't!)
Holding down THREE keys, while typing letters (a 4th key down, all simultaneous!), was quite the contortion! We just gotta get at least the s=sync to work&say something on that ctrl+alt+f1 screen, **while the system is working ok!!!**, or appoint a special prosecutor, to find the truth of what's going on, with the one I sooo love

p.p.s. I'm trying to find a way to do, at "*frozen*" tty1 login prompt, like reset;clear;stty sane
https://www.google.com/search?q=rese...nse+to+any+key
which FINALLY gives me/us the search results which I couldn't find in #11!!! Yea!!!

Oh, , leave a f1 term logged-in, running htop, always&forever!!! And maybe a f2 loggedin and ready to TRY to see if anything echos, next time gui freezes!!!
Ctrl+f7 should get you back to the gui, back to regular work. Do this NOW!!!

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Old 06-17-2017, 06:40 PM   #17
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I have a M57 I could throw out a inxi report on. If you wish. Compare notes so to speak.

Your memory looks sufficient. But more ram never hurts. Video driver looks ok in your inxi report.
So I don't think video driver is the culprit.

I can tell you now my inxi report will differ from yours software wise. I run XFCE instead of Cinnamon Desktop on my M57. Linux-lite instead of Mint. Linux-lite is based on Ubuntu like Mint.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=214635

Edit: forgot to mention. Mine does not freeze.

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Old 06-17-2017, 06:49 PM   #18
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I have a M57 I could throw out a inxi report on. If you wish. Compare notes so to speak.

Your memory looks sufficient. But more ram never hurts. Video driver looks ok in your inxi report.
So I don't think video driver is the culprit.

I can tell you now my inxi report will differ from yours software wise. I run XFCE instead of Cinnamon Desktop on my M57. Linux-lite instead of Mint. Linux-lite is based on Ubuntu like Mint.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=214635

Edit: forgot to mention. Mine does not freeze.

Good to know, although there may be a program difference here that makes a difference.

The strange thing is, since I have started posting on this I have not had a 'freeze'.

So just coasting at the moment and see how things go... thanks for the offers! and the confirmations.

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Old 06-18-2017, 10:38 AM   #19
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Nope, I have no sysrq ability

ctrl + alt plus f2 merely locked it into a different screen the one time I tried it... still had to hard reset

Ron

Hi all,

Had a Freeze last evening.

Earlier in the evening I had dug out another keyboard with a sysrq marked key and connected it up. With alt + sysrq + e, it immediately shut down the computer and then went into reboot.

However when it froze none of the sysrq codes worked no combination of F1,2,3,4,5,6,7 worked either. Just to repeat, the mouse pointer is still under control and moves where you put it but any mouse button is disabled as well as any keyboard input.

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Old 06-18-2017, 11:35 AM   #20
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No, you did hijack the thread. I have moved the appropriate posts to a new thread in the Mint forum. Although your first post does contain the original post from the previous thread you are free to edit to your hearts content.
But when are you guys going to acknowledge there is a problem?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1321623

Just read some of these... this is a pandemic

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Old 06-18-2017, 05:40 PM   #21
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But when are you guys going to acknowledge there is a problem?
I am the moderator of this forum but not a developer. I hope that one might respond to your thread.
 
Old 06-19-2017, 07:08 AM   #22
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Any other LQ'ers have any ideas on how to debug this?

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the mouse pointer is still under control and moves where you put it
Hmmm... The good news is the kernel is still alive (mouse driver, I believe), but the horrible news is that all of the 'magic' keystrokes (ctrl alt f1, backspace, sysrq, and even mouse right button), which work (you tested) when system is running ok, have died.

Do you have any way to (try to) ssh (etc) into the dead system, to see if more of the kernel/daemon_processes are alive???

Any other LQ'ers have any ideas on how to debug this?

On the emo(tional) stuff, (remember, I'm your friend & on your side!) YOU are actually more responsible for fixing this, than any other LQ member, since 'we' didn't write the code nor package the distro, and don't (yet) have the way to reproduce your glitch. You could file a bug on the distro site.

I was hoping you might end up becoming the fixer (guru) for all such Linux freezes! (half joking & half serious: as in the classic sitution, where, when one speaks up about a problem, they get elected/volunteered to resolve it )

I might start a Poll, asking: what % of the (about 98% of) people who don't use Linux, don't use it because of a bug=failure (vs other reasons like unaware, learning, M$compatibility, hardware-compatibility, ...)

p.s. I'm reminded of a recent "Why do you use Slackware?" thread, where one of the answers was: because I have to fix it, and thus be(come) an expert...

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Old 06-19-2017, 09:48 AM   #23
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Hmmm... The good news is the kernel is still alive (mouse driver, I believe), but the horrible news is that all of the 'magic' keystrokes (ctrl alt f1, backspace, sysrq, and even mouse right button), which work (you tested) when system is running ok, have died.

Do you have any way to (try to) ssh (etc) into the dead system, to see if more of the kernel/daemon_processes are alive???

Any other LQ'ers have any ideas on how to debug this?

On the emo(tional) stuff, (remember, I'm your friend & on your side!) YOU are actually more responsible for fixing this, than any other LQ member, since 'we' didn't write the code nor package the distro, and don't (yet) have the way to reproduce your glitch. You could file a bug on the distro site.

I was hoping you might end up becoming the fixer (guru) for all such Linux freezes! (half joking & half serious: as in the classic sitution, where, when one speaks up about a problem, they get elected/volunteered to resolve it )

I might start a Poll, asking: what % of the (about 98% of) people who don't use Linux, don't use it because of a bug=failure (vs other reasons like unaware, learning, M$compatibility, hardware-compatibility, ...)

p.s. I'm reminded of a recent "Why do you use Slackware?" thread, where one of the answers was: because I have to fix it, and thus be(come) an expert...
Yes it is good to have friends at a time like this, thanks.

Had another crash and thought to unplug the keyboard and re plug and see if hot plugging would make it recognise the keyboard... nada

I fought with the stupidities of windows for years and became somewhat able to "fix" little problems but this Linux thing has been so easy to install and run that I have never had to become proficient. Take Raspberry Pi with raspian for an example, it found my router, went on line and did it's thing will installing... a perfect no brainer.

The people that could fix this don't seem to be aware of the problem. That's why I was having a friendly poke at the moderator, trying to get some attention for this... but is anyone listening? There are thousands of reports of freezing and no central organised approach to fix the problem.

Linux Mint was good up until Version 16 and then this has happened, for the past couple of years, with version 17 and progressively worse with 18. and no one is listening??? Strange

I will look into the distro site, thanks

Ron
 
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Re:#21: modpoke cmd; man modpoke don't work. Help me!!!

Get a (free old junk) PC (128m ram is enuf), boot tiniest linux on it (distrowatch/mll is 7mb), connect it on same net, try to net-access (ping, ssh/telnet, nmap, etc) your PC when frozen (test the process prior to hang). Or can you use your Rasp.???

I can't think of any other way (other than a serial vt100 terminal) to access a frozen/hung pc, where mouse arrow moves, but no any-keyboard-anything works at all.

Any other LQ'ers have any ideas on how to get to the bottom of this coverup? (other than assigning all linux GUI bugs to OP)

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ctrl + alt plus f2 mearly locked it into a different screen the one time I tried it... still had to hard reset
#15 makes my SpecialProsecutorTeam suspect that an f# may have actually worked during a freeze. Or did you mean: when things were ok? Did alt+f1-6 ever work during any freeze? As they do when ok? Does alt+f7 return to gui when ok? (ImpeachmentHearingTranscript: OP now takes stand, to explain) (The addition of ctrl is only needed to break out of gui, like where ctrl alt backspace should terminate evil gui)

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Old 06-20-2017, 01:40 PM   #25
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Well. I am no developer. Just a distro team member that finds bugs on developer alpha and beta releases before they go final.

I thought I had Linux-Lite on this M57. It is a motorcycle shop wireless desktop with a added card reader in the floppy disk bay for SD cards and other cards like MMC and such. I have it on a cart with rolling wheels. I let guys that come to my motorcycle shop use it while I fix their motorcycles.

Just did a dist-upgrade to bring it up to current.
Code:
harry@shop:~
$ sudo apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
It runs MX Linux. Not Linux-Lite like I thought. Shows how much I use this box I guess.

Code:
harry@shop:~
$ inxi -zv7
System:    Host: shop Kernel: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.9.2)
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2 (Gtk 2.24.25) info: xfce4-panel dm: lightdm
           Distro: MX-16_x64 Metamorphosis 12 December 2016
Machine:   Device: desktop System: LENOVO product: 6075BHU v: ThinkCentre M57 Chassis: type: 3
           Mobo: LEharry@shop:~
$ inxi -xx -W 79772
Weather:   Conditions: 95 F (35 C) - Clear Wind: From the East at 8 MPH Humidity: 27%
           Pressure: 30.07 in (1018 mb) Time: June 20, 1:37 PM CDT
NOVO model: LENOVO BIOS: LENOVO v: 2RKT41AUS date: 03/20/2008
CPU:       Dual coharry@shop:~
$ inxi -xx -W 79772
Weather:   Conditions: 95 F (35 C) - Clear Wind: From the East at 8 MPH Humidity: 27%
           Pressurharry@shop:~
$ inxi -xx -W 79772
Weather:   Conditions: 95 F (35 C) - Clear Wind: From the East at 8 MPH Humidity: 27%
           Pressure: 30.07 in (1018 mb) Time: June 20, 1:37 PM CDT
e: 30.07 in (1018 mb) Time: June 20, 1:37 PM CDT
re Intel Pentium Dual E2160 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 7182
           clock speeds: min/max: 1200/1800 MHz 1: 1800 MHz 2: 1800 MHz
Memory:    Using dmidecode: you must be root to run dmidecode
Graphics:  Card: Intel 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:29b2
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Q35 GLX Version: 2.1 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:293e
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection
           driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 1820 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:10bd
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: D-Link System DWA-140 RangeBooster N Adapter(rev.B2) [Ralink RT3072]
           driver: rt2800usb v: 2.3.0 usb-ID: 008-003 chip-ID: 07d1:3c0a
           IF: wlan0 state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/A
           WAN IP: <filter>
           IF: eth0 ip-v4: N/A ip-v6-link: N/A
           IF: wlan0 ip-v4: <filter> ip-v6-link: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (5.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD3200AAKS size: 320.1GB serial: WD-WMAT10821761
           Optical-1: /dev/sr0 model: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-H30N
           rev: 1.02 dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd
           Features: speed: 48x multisession: yes
           audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw state: running
Partition: ID-1: / size: 51G used: 12G (24%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           label: rootMX-16 uuid: 9ac0f9f7-a9f1-4774-b32d-a6906e4417cd
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.19GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
           label: N/A uuid: 37a98cfa-28dd-4a4f-8bd1-48227716d414
RAID:      No RAID data: /proc/mdstat missing-is md_mod kernel module loaded?
Unmounted: ID-1: /dev/sda6 size: 261.11G label: data uuid: 468444fe-5d59-4a51-a33b-49b2532d8b13
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 52.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 180 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 285.8/3693.5MB
           Init: SysVinit v: 2.88 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Gcc sys: 4.9.2
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.301 running in xfce4-terminal) inxi: 2.3.21 
harry@shop:~
$ lsusb -t
/:  Bus 08.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/6p, 480M
    |__ Port 2: Dev 3, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=rt2800usb, 480M
/:  Bus 07.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/:  Bus 06.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/6p, 480M
    |__ Port 2: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usb-storage, 480M
/:  Bus 05.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
    |__ Port 1: Dev 3, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 1.5M
/:  Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
    |__ Port 1: Dev 4, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 1.5M
/:  Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/:  Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/:  Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
harry@shop:~
$
Wireless is handled by a usb wifi hardware that receives the wifi signal from shop to house, 200 feet away.

No freezes. But I am on Debian. Not Ubuntu like I mentioned earlier. My libs are probably different.
My inxi shows XFCE only drags on about 300MB of ram out of my 4 gig on this box.

You never mentioned if the Mint link I gave you helped you out on the freeze issue or even if you tried any of their suggested fixes. I am just posting to show a older less powerful IBM Tower. Slower less powerful CPU. 1 year older. Ram at 4 gig because I bumped it myself.

Not freezing and running pretty cool at that. The computer runs in outside temperatures over 100F +.
Code:
harry@shop:~
$ inxi -xx -W 79772
Weather:   Conditions: 95 F (35 C) - Clear Wind: From the East at 8 MPH Humidity: 27%
           Pressure: 30.07 in (1018 mb) Time: June 20, 1:37 PM CDT
It is not the hottest part of the day yet.

After a 90 updates with 3 newly installed and then a reboot.
If you look at my sensor report in my inxi readout.

I am a AntiX and MX linux user and mod and team member. But not a developer. Not even college educated.
Just a shady tree gnu/linux user.

Maybe comparing inxi readouts in a text file like so. Mine on top of yours. Section by section. I just figured since I said I would. I'd supply the info.

Quote:
Mine>>>>>>>>

Graphics: Card: Intel 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:29b2
Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz

Yours>>>>>>>>>>>

Graphics: Card: Intel 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1440x900@59.89hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Q45/Q43 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio: Card Intel 82801JD/DO (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
Might help shedding some light on this issue. I gave up on Mint at version 6 I think when they dropped making their fluxbox edition and their forum kinda went to hell with the influx of of New Windows users who crowded the Mint forums with whining.

Just druthers <personal look on things> talking. Hope you figure this freeze out. I would start wondering if hardware freeze is to blame. I have a shop air compressor I keep the internals clean with on this desktop as well as 90 % rubbing alcohol plus a eraser for cleaning blade contacts on cards.

All I can say is good luck figuring this out and hoping you post back on how you fixed it. Rok out.

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Well. I am no developer. Just a distro team member that finds bugs on developer alpha and beta releases before they go final.

You never mentioned if the Mint link I gave you helped you out on the freeze issue or even if you tried any of their suggested fixes. I am just posting to show a older less powerful IBM Tower. Slower less powerful CPU. 1 year older. Ram at 4 gig because I bumped it myself.
Thanks Rok for all the additional info. I did read the link but they were suggesting a fresh install or it could get messy so I didn't follow through. That and you are using a different Linux. As mentioned Mint was good up until version 16 so for me this is a 17/18 issue.

It took me weeks to get my Thunderbird mail on to this "latest" Mint so was not looking forward to any fresh installs.

I did go on the report a bug site but mistakenly chose the first "Linux Mint Freezes" as being my problem but when I read the posts they were talking about Mint 7....duh, I will have to start again.

Thanks for the come backs, appreciated.

Ron
 
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I did go on the report a bug site but mistakenly chose the first "Linux Mint Freezes" as being my problem but when I read the posts they were talking about Mint 7....duh, I will have to start again.

Thanks for the come backs, appreciated.

Ron
Actually I think this is the right bug report (link below)... just that it goes back to 2014.
but this report runs up to 05 2017.

Reading the reports it seems some have claimed success by going to 8 Gb of ram

So latest report from here, I have updated my ram from 2 to 4 Gb's, downloaded and installed the latest updates so the this computer says, "Your system is up to date"

However a 'freeze' this morning just reading the yahoo forums!

Ron

https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1321623
 
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However a 'freeze' this morning just reading the yahoo forums!

Ron
And so it went, several days in the clear then two or three freezes in an hour!

However I have solved the problem.

I had a spare M58 that I have installed Linux Mint Mate 18.3 on.
I have had no further freezes in just about a week.

Give it another week and I will close this thread.

Ron
 
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And so it went, several days in the clear then two or three freezes in an hour!

However I have solved the problem.

I had a spare M58 that I have installed Linux Mint Mate 18.3 on.
I have had no further freezes in just about a week.

Give it another week and I will close this thread.

Ron
What a relief, not one freeze with Mint Mate!!!

Where else should I post this information?

Ron
 
  


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