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Old 01-01-2005, 10:08 AM   #1
enro2002
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Tungsten-T5 Sync probelm


I am having trouble syncing my Tungsten T5 with My linux system.
I am using Debian Sarge Kernel 2.6.8.1
The Problem seems to be that I cannot connect to the appropriate Devicefile.
When connecting the the palm everything seems fine and var/log/messages tells me:


Code:
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Generic
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usbserial
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Handspring Visor / Palm OS
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Sony Clie 3.5
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Sony Clie 5.0
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: visor 1-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver visor
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/serial/visor.c: USB HandSpring Visor / Palm OS driver v2.1
Jan  1 14:31:59 localhost usb.agent[4246]:      visor: loaded successfully
Jan  1 14:33:59 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 4
Jan  1 14:33:59 localhost kernel: visor ttyUSB0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0
Jan  1 14:33:59 localhost kernel: visor ttyUSB1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected from ttyUSB1
Jan  1 14:33:59 localhost kernel: visor 1-2:1.0: device disconnected

Everytime I'm trying to point Kpilot or Jpilot to /dev/ttyUSB1 the device my Palm is connected to seems to flee from me:


Code:
Jan  1 14:49:46 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 5
Jan  1 14:49:46 localhost kernel: visor 1-2:1.0: device disconnected
Jan  1 14:49:47 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 6
Jan  1 14:49:48 localhost kernel: visor 1-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
Jan  1 14:49:48 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB2
Jan  1 14:49:48 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB3
Jan  1 14:49:48 localhost usb.agent[4505]:      visor: already loaded
When I'm trying to set Kpilot to the new device the Palm goes back to the old one.
Anybody any idea?
Thanks in advance.
 
Old 01-01-2005, 09:28 PM   #2
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just got a T5 2 weeks ago and am having the same problems. The T3 works, but the T5 doesn't.

I would love to hear from anybody here who is fully using their T5 with Linux.

Same Distro btw - Debian Sarge with 2.6.x
 
Old 01-06-2005, 06:53 AM   #3
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tungsten T5 sync solution

Hi everybody
The solution to my Tungsten sync problem is quiet simple but inconvenient. Just do the following:
Connect Pilot
Start Kpilot and set device to /dev/ttyUSB1
close Kpilot! (important)
Press sync on the Pilot.
wait 3 sec.
Fire up Kpilot again.
Et voila it syncs but the timing is crutial.
 
Old 01-06-2005, 12:15 PM   #4
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that's strange.... why does that work?
 
Old 01-27-2005, 11:27 AM   #5
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As an FYI, this process works for jpilot too...

wierd.
 
Old 02-02-2005, 06:40 PM   #6
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I have the same issue. When I attempt the Hotsync, the USB port goes from 0,1 to 2,3. I don't get it. Anybody have a fix for this yet?
 
Old 02-03-2005, 07:11 AM   #7
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I've done some amatuer debugging of this. Unlike the palm m130 (which is what I had) and presumably others, it is not actually a USB device. Or at least linux doesn't see it that way...until the device ACTUALLY syncs.

However, the Tungsten T5 does something different. It registers as a device even when it's not syncing, which leads me to think that the T5 is designed to constantly look for hardware at the connection point.

Now what the kernel will do is assign the palm ttyUSBx and ttyUSBy. Why it does two USB ports, I don't know. However, it is ttyUSBy which actually talks to the palm.

When the sync button is pressed, it opens ttyUSBy for data transfer. You run whatever command to sync the palm ('jpilot-sync' in my case) and the palm proceeds to sync normally like the palm m130.

However, the behavior manifestes when you attempt to run the sync command FIRST BEFORE pressing the sync button on the palm. Since the sync program on the computer attempts to access ttyUSBy (usually ttyUSB1), the kernel will assign ttyUSB2 and 3 to the T5 when activated, not USB0 and 1.

From the looks of things, the T5 is a slightly different animal...but not all that different. The key you have to remember is to press the sync button FIRST (so you can get ports ttyUSB0 & 1) and then run your sync command on your computer.

Granted this isn't a real "fix"...more of a work around. But it works. I doubt that this will get fixed because it has more to do with how the T5 operates with the kernel than the kernel with the T5.
 
Old 02-05-2005, 10:28 AM   #8
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I have the same problem with my desktop running Mandrake 10, but not with my laptop with Vector Linux 4.3. Both were originally set up with jpilot and a Handspring Visor Deluxe, which worked great, syncing up on both machines. On the desktop, however, the new T5 will not sync, no matter what order I press buttons and stop and restart jpilot. It gives a sync bind error every time. I have created /dev/USB0 and /USB1 and others, changed permissions, and made and remade links; nothing has worked yet.

On the laptop I just plugged it in, and it told me that the Palm had been synched with another computer and did I want to proceed. Clicked yes, and it ran fine.

The difference might be that the desktop is, I think, a 2.6 kernel, and the laptop is 2.4. The 2.6 kernel seems to handle USB differently, creating /dev files on the fly.

If anyone really gets this to work with Mandrake or Fedora Core, please post it here, and tell us what you did. Googling for answers has just turned up allot of information which I have tried but does not work on Mandrake 10. For the record, I have been using the Handspring with jpilot for over 4 years with Mandrake, Vector, ELX and Suse, and it has always been configurable.

C
 
Old 02-05-2005, 11:33 AM   #9
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I'm using fedora core 2. I'm not sure what else I can tell you except that I compiled pilot-link from source, jpilot from source, and it worked.

Can you be more specific as to what you're experiencing?
 
Old 03-31-2005, 01:27 AM   #10
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I'm having the same issues. Running Debian Sarge. Kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp. It used to work, it stopped working after a recent aptitude upgrade.
Only thing that looked like it got changed in the upgrade that is related was udev, 0.054-3 -> 0.056-1. Didn't see anything in the changelogs that leaps out as being a possible culprit.

The timeing suggestions above didn't help me either.
 
Old 06-30-2006, 01:46 PM   #11
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Places To Look For Help

This Gentoo wiki page put me on the right track to syncing my T5 with evolution (While I use Gentoo, it seems generic enough):

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_USB_syn...n_2.0_and_udev

The link at the bottom of the page to a blog was also especially helpful (The Blog is more FC focused):

http://www.clasohm.com/blog/one-entry?entry_id=12096

Best of luck!
 
  


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