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Old 08-08-2016, 02:59 PM   #16
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To think all this started by me saying "I think we need to upgrade your computer, Darling". Famous last words!
i'm not married, but i can relate.
i once or twice more or less forced linux onto some (female) friends and got a lot of pressure afterwards.
i will never try that with anybody again (regardless of sex, mind).
 
Old 08-08-2016, 11:10 PM   #17
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(regardless of sex, mind).
Well I can be regardless of sex if I don't get it sorted! "8-)
 
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Old 08-09-2016, 03:22 AM   #18
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Hello, Doug Hutcheson...

Try to stay with me on this...

I have an olde hardware config on my PC. The main source of problems for me (I learned with a LOT of pain) was the AGP graphics card (SiS-6326) - but also I have a single-core 1Ghz CPU, and only 760 MB RAM.

Many distros failed to install; some installed but never ran; a few ran, but ran exceedingly slow. One distro I had trouble with was Fedora (ie on my setup). The last one was Fedora-23. I also tried Korora-23 which is the community spin-off. (I discovered Korora might have some stuff done a little.. . . ..well let's not say "better", but just "different".) Yes; it loaded VERY SLOWLY. I think it took several hours of patience. Then, when it ran, it ran just OK, but slow in places. I tried to find a driver for the graphics - but, alas, I could not get one working. (I did not have the skill to do anything other than try to use driver packages, but Korora/Fedora 23 did not have any to match. Trying to install an old driver in some fashion was beyond me.) So, I think I have "seen" exactly what you're seeing.

Understanding about your "desire" to continue with Fedora, keep in mind the following points (ie with reference back to Fedora)...

One distro that works well on my olde PC system has been Antix. Antix-15, and Antix-16 (and originally MX) have worked extremely well.

* It has a SiS graphics driver which makes an important difference. For me, on my hardware, it needed to be setup correctly in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.

* However I also use a nosmp arg appended to my kernel line in Grub even though I use an SMP kernel (ie ...-smp). On my olde system Antix-15/16 (XFCE), even with it's associated modern software, is exceedingly FAST. I think, repeat "think" (ie without "evidence to back it up" - others can work it out) that - at least in part - helps me get a very-good Antix distro up and running well.

* [WARNING: One problem that I have had with Antix is that on install it changes the SWAP partition LABEL to antix-something-or-other. (Just now I cannot remember to what.) That too, caused some "slow" pain - even across installed distros.]


Finally, on my OLDE type system Mageia-5 MATE also works extremely well, is very stable, and is very easy to use.


So, if there is anything in there (ie tips for config) that you can use on any installation of your choosing then good.

Regards,
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:03 AM   #19
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So, if there is anything in there (ie tips for config) that you can use on any installation of your choosing then good.
Thanks very much for the helpful reply, boombaby. I am very tempted to switch to a lightweight distro as you suggest. You are not the first on this thread to be looking sideways at the graphics hardware, yet that is about the last thing I would have thought to blame.

At the moment, my wife is happy to use the system as-is, long Libre-loading delays and all. When she starts pounding the keyboard and swearing at the machine, I might soothe her with promises about how good life would be with a lighter distro (e.g. Antix) - or a heavier machine! "8-)

On that subject, does Antix run LibreOffice and Evolution? They are the only apps my wife uses and I would hate to have to go through another learning curve for me (as IT Support) and her (as Finance Manager, who just wants it to work as it used to thank you very much!).

Thanks again,
Doug
 
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Hello again, Doug...

I will respond to the Libre thing later but I think some background for you (on your older laptop) is necessary first.

About 18 months ago I arrived at full-blown Linux usage after about a decade and a half of solid, "do-anything-with-it" Windows-2000 usage. However from about 3 years before that move I had been dabbling with Linux distros to find something for a replacement. On my olde system (as described before - a bit of a "clunker") Windows-2000 was brilliant. So, I tried hundreds of Linux distros and versions, but I could not find one that I could install (even the common ones), or - when installed - run it well. Nothing came near Windows-2K speed or stability (on MY setup).

Finally, and quite surprisingly, I found (modern) Mageia-5, which loaded first pop - with no issues at all. It also had the exact graphics driver - and - a great Control Panel for systems management. [Through the stunning turn-around with Mageia-5 performance I learned that my graphics card is almost universally NOT supported across many distros - and that might have been my major problem for installing many of them.] The slight downside was that Mageia was slower than Windows-2K (on MY setup). Mageia-5 has been fantastic to use to get into Linux, and it is stable, reliable, and fast enough for real productivity.

PCLinuxOS was also good (on MY setup) and extremely fast, but they stopped supporting 32-bits, so I can't use it (on MY setup).

[I have to keep saying "on MY setup" so that drone-killers don't bombard me with scorn that their distro is better.]

Recently I discovered that Linux-MX14 installed and was usable, and then learned that its incestual cousin - er - celestial cousin Antix, might also be useful. After some help with their forum - an approach I NEVER used to do, I learned how to use the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file properly for the driver, which they also support. Anyway ANTIX (15/now 16) XFCE runs extremely fast, faster than Mageia-5 MATE, and as fast as PCLinuxOS 32-bit, or Windows-2000 - ON THIS, MY OLDE SETUP.

I would recommend Mageia-5 to anyone trying to make a NEWBIE kind of start in Linux from (olde?) Windows because of EASY USE, CONFIGURABILITY, STABILITY AND VERSATILITY.

Antix-16 I believe would be an excellent recommendation for Pnewbies (ie Post-Newbie; silent "n"; copyright waived). It might require a tweak here or there - but is ideal as a first distro to get your "penguin teeth" into. [Are penguins like chickens?] Antix also have a pretty helpful forum too, when you need distro help. [You need to know or remember that Antix does NOT use the newer "systemd" approach to Linux management - OR RATHER - systemd can be included as a configurable OPTION. I see that as a feature; others might see it as a downside.]

I am trying to impress upon you that getting things working right is fundamental - in Windows and Linux. After that, performance of good software is almost neither here, nor there.

N.B.
Desktops (ie Desktop Managers and Windows Managers) can also be a performance drain. If you want "bells and whistles", or "fades and shades", or "sounds and pounds", then you have to have grunt and shunt (aka oomph). For me, on my one-core, low-RAM, no-SLAM system, both MATE and XFCE desktops have been great.

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Now, I have to tell you that I have spent SO long finding a distro to use for work - a workhorse - that I have not done much extended usage of software. So I don't feel qualified enough to comment fully, but here's something...

I have LibreOffice 4.3.3.2 installed.

I also add that I am not a Excel/LibreCalc kind of person. So, again, I cannot describe the performance of that kind of software.

I can tell you that I have used LibreBase, which probably needs the same kind of performance as a spreadsheet program, and found it to be pretty darn good, or - if you like - BRILLIANT as a freebie. It is not quite as fast as Win2K-MsAccess BUT any noticable difference has NEVER bothered me.

I also use LibreWriter regularly, without considering performance an issue, and have not had any problems.

I do NOT use the big web browsers. That's to avoid ANY performance issues. So I use Midori web-browser (with pics and scripts turned off). Like that, it flies. I turn pics on when I need them; no problems.

At times I have had 15 or so Midori (no-pic) tabs opened, along with LibreWriter, a couple of Txt docs, one or two PDFs, and one or two terminals, IPtables firewall - with no issues that I can recall.

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On Win2K I used Pegasus email which I found to be the ultimate email program, but on Linux I had to find something else. I probably tried Evolution but, sorry, I just don't remember it. In the end I chose Sylpheed email - and (apart from understanding the install) I had a minimal "usage" learning-curve. So I ended up writing about my install to help others. [It was easy (when you know how!!!)] Here it is...

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ple-mailboxes-[maybe-claws-too]-4175577728/

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Lastly, on my Antix-16 32-bit (XFCE) setup, as I am including and using more and more programs I never expect "performance" to be a contributing concern. It just doesn't seem to be a worry at all.

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So, Doug, in case you missed it, as far as the LibreCalc question goes, I do not expect it as a problem on my >> PC << system if I needed to use it. (Of course, it might be a little different on your laptop setup if the little black ducks don't line up.) For email I use Sylpheed (with 5 email boxes). So I am sorry if all that isn't much "practical experience" type of help, but I did want to impress upon you that I would not expect performance to be a factor with MY Antix-XFCE (at the least) with using the kind of software you spoke of.


Regards,
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Old 08-12-2016, 03:03 AM   #21
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Hi boombaby.

Firstly, I am glad to say I found the immediate cause of Libre being so slow to load a document: it turns out switching off the network connection makes everything run like a flash! Who would have thought? I am trying to contact the developers to tell them of this strange behaviour so they can fix it, but at least I know it is not my hardware or distro.

Now, to reply to some of your excellent post:
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About 18 months ago I arrived at full-blown Linux usage
Penguins rule!
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Finally, and quite surprisingly, I found (modern) Mageia-5, which loaded first pop - with no issues at all. It also had the exact graphics driver - and - a great Control Panel for systems management. [Through the stunning turn-around with Mageia-5 performance I learned that my graphics card is [B]almost universally NOT supported across many distros
Yep, that's Linux for you -lots of distros, all slightly different and supporting slightly different hardware. Often you will find it possible to take the working kernel or driver code from distro X and compile it into distro Y, but it all depends ... "8-)
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PCLinuxOS was also good (on MY setup) and extremely fast, but they stopped supporting 32-bits
I find that annoying too, but I suppose we have to change with the times. I am only now migrating to 64-bit, partly for performance and partly to become compatible with the latest apps and drivers. It grieves my heart to decommission perfectly usable 32-bit hardware just because the world has moved on, but I said the same when I decommissioned my CP-M box in favour of one running the all-new, snazzy and bug-rich PC-DOS. Those who remember the good old days will know the era of which I write.
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Antix, might also be useful. After some help with their forum - an approach I NEVER used to do, I learned how to use the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file properly for the driver, which they also support. Anyway ANTIX (15/now 16) XFCE runs extremely fast, faster than Mageia-5 MATE, and as fast as PCLinuxOS 32-bit, or Windows-2000 - ON THIS, MY OLDE SETUP.
Doesn't it make you feel good when you find an o/s that gives your old equipment a new lease on life? That is one area where Windows just can't compete: if you can't afford the latest hardware and software, they don't want to know you.
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Pnewbies (ie Post-Newbie; silent "n"; copyright waived).
Hmmm ... silent 'n' - that makes it sound like 'Pubies' - that can't be right!
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[Are penguins like chickens?]
Yes, except they taste strongly of anchovies and they are wetter.
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I am trying to impress upon you that getting things working right is fundamental - in Windows and Linux. After that, performance of good software is almost neither here, nor there.
I couldn't agree more. The difference is the support network of gazillions of Linux nerds just like us and the accessibility of not only the code, but also the developers. When it comes to quick responses, Linux beats Windows hands down in my experience. YMMV.
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I can tell you that I have used LibreBase, which probably needs the same kind of performance as a spreadsheet program, and found it to be pretty darn good, or - if you like - BRILLIANT as a freebie. It is not quite as fast as Win2K-MsAccess BUT any noticable difference has NEVER bothered me.
LibreBase performance largely depends upon the database you give it as a back-end. I prefer to use Postgresql, but I come from a long and stressful career developing database applications. Incidentally, I am able to run most of my geriatric MS Office97 under Wine on my Linux box, but Access is flakey. I expect a newer flavour of Office would run better. I have not used Office in anger since circa 2000.
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So I am sorry if all that isn't much "practical experience" type of help
Not at all - it is always illuminating to read what others are doing with their penguins. Also, remember that this thread my be read by many other people and you can never anticipate when one of your bits of sage advice will be just what someone is looking for.

Again, many, many thanks for your help and support. May the Linux gods bestow you with great karma.

Cheers,
Doug
 
Old 08-13-2016, 02:34 PM   #22
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I seem to move my wife between Fedora and Ubuntu every few months, due to slightly borked updates (a problem when using Rawhide and the Ubuntu dev version). As long as I give her the same programs, DE and $HOME, she doesn't know the difference. YMMV
 
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Firstly, I am glad to say I found the immediate cause of Libre being so slow to load a document: it turns out switching off the network connection makes everything run like a flash! Who would have thought? I am trying to contact the developers to tell them of this strange behaviour so they can fix it, but at least I know it is not my hardware or distro.
please check ALL of libreoffices options (there are a lot) if you can't tell it to not look at the network.
before bothering the devs.

anyhow, good catch!
 
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please check ALL of libreoffices options
Great idea I should have thought of for myself - definitely getting old ...
 
  


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