I want to create a linux that is designed to run on my machine
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273, I want free hardware and free software and also I want it to just work
Then you're too lazy to create your own version of Linux. If you don't have the determination to work harder to afford a Mac or to install (or, possibly remove) the few extra things that make most distributions work just fine then you're not going to have the determination to write and maintain your own distribution.
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why are you attacking me?
by the way this really isn't about me
it is about the many users who face the same problem (mostly new ones).
I'm not attacking you. I'm too lazy myself to do a lot of things. However, as I mentioned in my previous post Linux is not for you if you aren't willing to do some work. (Well, apart from Chromebooks etc. but I think we're talking desktop Linux here).
Linux is not for you if you aren't willing to do some work.
why has this become a rule?
I see google broke that rule by creating the chromebooks which unfortunately is not a full desktop.
I wanna do the same, but I want it a full feature desktop capable of doing everything. but I'm pretty sure I'll need help doing that because I don't even know what to read or where to begin. that's why I came here
We are not attacking you. However, you keep asserting "Linux is not designed to run on my laptop; it has many bugs and driver problems." But so far, you have not given us a single concrete example of these problems, so we are unable to have any kind of meaningful discussion how to fix or work around them. So basically what you have is a bunch of people sharing their abstract opinions.
By the way, I work Mac tech support for a living, and I can assure you OS X is not as stable and lightweight as you assert. I run Linux no problem at home with only 1gb of RAM, but at work I get a lot of complaints from people who are bogged down on OS X with "only" 4gb and need to upgrade to 8gb for decent performance. (for which upgrade apple charges $200 just for the parts!)
Windows and Linux are known to run reasonably well on 10 year old computers, but I don't see very many pre-2006 Macs still in use around here.
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why has this become a rule?
I see google broke that rule by creating the chromebooks which unfortunately is not a full desktop.
So, you have more resources than Google? If they can't make a fully-featured desktop what makes you think you can?
Besides Google spends a lot of developer time testing all the patches to their OSs and they still allow bugs through.
What you are saying is that you would find it easier to create a Linux distribution from scratch than follow some simple procedures to set up and maintain an existing distribution? To what benefit?
so far, you have not given us a single concrete example of these problems, so we are unable to have any kind of meaningful discussion how to fix or work around them
I am not trying to fix certain issues, I want these issues to never exist.
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I get a lot of complaints from people who are bogged down on OS X with "only" 4gb and need to upgrade to 8gb for decent performance.
wow, they must be using a lot of big apps at the same time.
I know that mac just wants the money and want customers to use their latest hardware and software.
that is another reason why I am considering doing this. I want free software and free hardware and I want it to just work.
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So, you have more resources than Google? If they can't make a fully-featured desktop what makes you think you can?
well, no I don't have as much resources of course, but I have the free software community!
maybe if I manage to deliver the idea behind my project and start producing some output, people would be interested to join and contribute.
anyway, what do you guys suggest I do? because I really don't know where to start.
by the way this really isn't about me
it is about the many users who face the same problem (mostly new ones).
They can join these forums, and we will help them.
What else can WE do, really?
(By "we" I include YOU, lordadamson! You've been on these forums for a few months now, and I would love to see you attempting to help people and answer their questions. Looking at your post history, your relationship with LinuxQuestions has been kind of a one-way street. Even though you are a beginner, you could at least try to help some of the other beginners with their easy problems. There is a famous quote, "become the change you want to see in the world," so if you are not getting the level of support you desire on LinuxQuestions, then maybe you should try to be more helpful on LinuxQuestions and lead by example.)
again you attack me instead of helping me do what I want to do.
in defense of myself: I do help people snowpine, in another way, I created a community in my faculty to spread the philosophy and idea of free software and I do help these people everyday. I do what I can.
however, I will try to help people in this forums more often
again you attack me instead of helping me do what I want to do.
You are partially correct. I have no interest in "helping you do what you want to do" and I feel I have made some strong arguments why it would be a waste of my (volunteer) time. If you choose to interpret "I am not interested in your idea, and I'll calmly tell you why" as a personal attack then I apologize; personal attacks are against the rules here at LQ and that was not my intention.
I really appreciate your time, snowpine, I am not even offended or anything that's not the point, it's just that I want you guys to help me.
again the idea is simply a new product. a laptop or a computer that runs an operating system designed especially for it.
by having this product the user would avoid so many problems.
now I do know that some laptops comes with pre-installed linux distros on them, which is very good, but what if you want to change distros? when you try to install that same distrobution you had before, you'd have to spend some time configuring things and fixing things that doesn't work properly.
it is the same idea as chromebooks (except that chromebook won't let you change the OS, and it is not a desktop anyway).
so my question is simply: how do I go about making something like chromebook but runs a special desktop linux instead?
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now I do know that some laptops comes with pre-installed linux distros on them, which is very good, but what if you want to change distros?
Now you're contradicting yourself. If you stick to the pre-installed OS on a Dell machine that ships with Ubuntu it should be as trouble-free as Mac or Windows. If you want to change distros then how is that like Mac or like a Chromebook?
This goes back to what I was saying before and waht I was getting at:
The reason Linux generally takes a little more effort is because there is so much choice from what hardware you run it on to which desktop environment (if any) you have. This choice necessarily means that things will take a little more effort to set up.
In life generally to make a procedure easier one removes steps and, thus, removes choice. Hence a chomrebook or an iPad being "easy" (for a set idea of easy) to use and Debian running XFCE being "hard", for example.
Or, to use an analogy:
You are asking how to make a custom kit car easier to build. The answer is that you can't. You either buy an off-the shelf, build the car yourself or pay somebody to do it for you.
so my question is simply: how do I go about making something like chromebook but runs a special desktop linux instead?
My recommendation is to find entrepreneurs who have successfully developed and marketed new products, to provide you with some business mentorship. Real-life people you can actually talk to and ask questions are the best. But if nothing else, you should read biographies of historical figures who have succeeded in the business in which you are trying to succeed.
FOR EXAMPLE there is a very nice biography of Steve Jobs in the bookstores right now. When Jobs had an idea for a new computer with a revolutionary operating system, what did he do??
Or FOR EXAMPLE where did the idea for the Chromebook come from, and how was it successfully introduced to the market? Have you thought to contact these people for help/advice? Or, have you thought maybe about getting a job at Google working on the Chromebook team?!?
That's your research project: study existing successful projects/products.
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