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Turbocapitalist 09-21-2016 02:36 AM

End of the line for Lenovo?
 
Preparing for an upcoming hardware purchase, I ran across this regarding Lenovo possibly locking out non- M$ systems at the hardware level:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2337719&

https://i.imgur.com/B7gMpFL.png

It seems the natural progression from Secure Boot aka Restricted Boot.

Can anyone confirm the problem or provide information?

goumba 09-21-2016 03:57 AM

If you read the whole thread, there are users having trouble installing a "clean" Windows 10 on the same hardware.

I don't want to paint MS as good, but I can't see any significant number manufacturers playing into the "preventing other OSes from running" just for the sake of helping MS. Too many people are having issues with hardware from several vendors. People are having issues with Dell laptops and Dell is /somewhat/ Linux friendly last I knew.

The Linux community grows, word gets around and their hardware sales will suffer at some point. Enough bad press from the community and people going elsewhere is not good for the bottom line.

syg00 09-21-2016 06:17 AM

On the other hand, why would anyone with a modicum of technical nous want to buy from a company with an appalling record of pre-installing (non-removable) virus on their hardware. And making them susceptible to man-in-the-middle attacks by hacking ssl certificates.

Not this fella.

luvr 09-21-2016 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goumba (Post 5608120)
I can't see any significant number manufacturers playing into the "preventing other OSes from running" just for the sake of helping MS.

I'm rather more suspicious. In my opinion, it would be dangerous to underestimate the pressure that Microsoft can still excert on poorly managed, incompetent, and short-sighted hardware vendors.

dave@burn-it.co.uk 09-21-2016 10:59 AM

Lenovo have always been restrictive about what you can run on their machines.
I have a Thinkpad and I had to install a "special" BIOS to allow me to use perfectly safe, but none approved hardware.
Disk drive, network card, to name just two.
I've also just today realized that TPSHOCKs.EXE,which is supposed to park the disk heads when dropped is actually sending private information back home - and I thought I had found all the spyware.

rokytnji 09-21-2016 03:26 PM

Quote:

Lenovo have always been restrictive about what you can run on their machines.
?

Code:

harry@biker:~
$ inxi -M
Machine:  System: LENOVO (portable) product: 2347DS2 v: ThinkPad T430
          Mobo: LENOVO model: 2347DS2
          UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO v: G1ET41WW (1.16 ) date: 05/25/2012
Battery    BAT0: charge: 35.8 Wh 99.9% condition: 35.8/56.2 Wh (64%)
harry@biker:~
$ inxi -S
System:    Host: biker Kernel: 4.6.2-antix.1-686-smp-pae i686 (32 bit)
          Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8
          Distro: antiX-15-V_386-full Killah P 30 June 2015
harry@biker:~
$

Never mind.

dave@burn-it.co.uk 09-21-2016 03:38 PM

What does that lot mean??

rokytnji 09-21-2016 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave@burn-it.co.uk (Post 5608410)
What does that lot mean??

32 bit pae Linux running on i5 3RD generation cpu, with 16 gig of ram , with UEFI bios.

Not picky at all. Everything works.

Edit: Oh, with picturess

Timothy Miller 09-21-2016 03:48 PM

Yeah, never had problems with Lenovo hardware. As mentioned earlier, if one reads the WHOLE article, the problem isn't Lenovo locking out linux users. It's Lenovo using hardware that linux doesn't support for their onboard RAID, and so until a driver is developed, linux can't see the drives to install to.

Emerson 09-21-2016 03:54 PM

IBM and later Lenovo used to rebrand Quanta hardware, and Quanta is good, good with Linux, too. Are they getting their laptops from elsewhere now?

Timothy Miller 09-21-2016 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerson (Post 5608419)
IBM and later Lenovo used to rebrand Quanta hardware, and Quanta is good, good with Linux, too. Are they getting their laptops from elsewhere now?

Probably not, just switched to a different onboard RAID controller to increase performance of the SSD('s) further.

rokytnji 09-21-2016 04:40 PM

More info

http://search.lenovo.com/search?w=li...view&fsearch=1


https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426

syg00 09-21-2016 06:58 PM

And something from someone who actually knows what he's talking about - here.

Emerson 09-21-2016 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syg00 (Post 5608476)
And something from someone who actually knows what he's talking about - here.

So the fix is easy, just add the new PCI ID to kernel AHCI driver. Any Linux user armed with a text editor can do it.

syg00 09-21-2016 07:54 PM

When the kernel maintainer who wrote the shim to allow RHEL to boot on secureboot locked machines says it ain't possible (at the moment) I'll believe there is no "easy fix".


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