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Old 11-22-2009, 08:42 AM   #16
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Maybe this link is important too?

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...92#post3763392

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Just discovered some stuff too

If you use USB creator in 9.04 or earlier
it will mistakenly change the isolinux.cfg into the syslinux.cfg
this OK
BUT, Ubuntu-9.04 uses syslinux 3.63 which will not give graphical menu
other problem is that, usb creator does not copy the isolinux folder
from iso to usb


so, please use Unetbootin to install to usb
best option is to burn phalanx-9.04 to cd-r
boot it up
insert usb (fat32)
find the phalanx iso
and double-click on the iso
which should open Isomaster app
hold cntrl key and select each file/folder on iso
and then hit the extract button

do all this from the root account
now cut/paste the extracted folders into your usb
using pcmanfm file manager

to install a newer version of syslinux
you need fedora 11, debian 5.03, slackware 13,etc
Doesn't that apply to what I wanted to do? You know I am totally lost on such details
 
Old 11-22-2009, 08:42 AM   #17
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I made it to work with Unetbootin in Linux or windows

You can put any Ubuntu/Debian/Puppy/Slax frugal persistent save on NTFS, fat32, ext2, etc

Meaning; install distro to USB
but put its save "file" on your HDD
thus it will never write back to usb, only to its "file" on your ntfs hard drive

this is Ubuntu's casper-rw "file" to put on ntfs/vfat/ext partition

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Using a Loopback File

Instead of using a USB stick, you can use a file on your hard disk to store persistent information. The file must be named casper-rw and must be on the root of a partition. This partition can be any type that can be mounted automatically (e.g. vfat or ext3). (The persistent mode still works, if the file is created on the root partition of an USB stick.)

The following commands assume that a partition is mounted at /media/hda1. You can use any partition; even / will do fine. A file 128 MB in size will be created on this partition. To change the size, modify the count parameter of the "dd" command.
Code:
$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/hda1/casper-rw bs=1M count=128
128+0 records in
128+0 records out
134217728 bytes transferred in 0.947819 seconds (141606919 bytes/sec)

$ mkfs.ext3 /media/hda1/casper-rw
mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
/media/hda1/casper-rw is not a block special device.
Proceed anyway? (y,n) y
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=1024 (log=0)
Fragment size=1024 (log=0)
32768 inodes, 131072 blocks
6553 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
First data block=1
16 block groups
8192 blocks per group, 8192 fragments per group
2048 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks:
        8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729

Writing inode tables: done
Creating journal (4096 blocks): done
Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

This filesystem will be automatically checked every 23 mounts or
180 days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
That's it! You can now boot the Live CD as described below.
from this page
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence

so, you can install most distros to usb safely with Unetbootin
However; I made Phalanx to work with Unetbootin specifically

Damn Slayer's jammin this mornin!
 
Old 11-22-2009, 08:45 AM   #18
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How does your distro solve the overheating so many ask about?
 
Old 11-22-2009, 08:53 AM   #19
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your post above mine
Means that Ubuntu keeps using a OLD version of syslinux
with Ubuntu's 3.63 hacked version
you can't have a graphical boot menu

only with syslinux 3.71+ can you have a nice picture menu

so, I had to make 2 seperate isolinux/syslinux configs
for Phalanx-9.04

1) if you installed Phalanx to usb using any ubuntu
you will have to use text menu
http://multidistro.com/distros/ubunt...d/menu.c32.png


2) if you however install a higher version of syslinux(which puppy may have)
you will get the awesome graphical Phalanx menu
http://multidistro.com/distros/ubunt...samenu.c32.png

big difference huh?
 
Old 11-22-2009, 08:53 AM   #20
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what overheating?
 
Old 11-22-2009, 09:05 AM   #21
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Here is an important thread you made too
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...6/#post3672896

There you warned that some unetbootin has old syslinux.

I am too much noob to get such. So that is why I am so cautious in case you wonder why I have not followed your advice yet.

I spent 24/7 to get my first puppy to work and I am not going into such trouble again.
I had constant headache for month after.

so that is why I asked for EasyPeasy and Crunchbang first. You don't seem to be against Cruchbang either. You actually did recommend it in one thread.

Trust me I find your help very generous and appreciate it much. Just be patient with a complete noob that don't want to mess up things he doesn't get.

Good that your files work in windows too.
 
Old 11-22-2009, 09:13 AM   #22
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To tell you a tale nooby..

I was running win XP in Dec 08
I sent for a Ubuntu-8.04 cd
and wanted to put it on usb
as you do
I attempted to use Unetbootin
to do this

It went either horribly wrong or horribly right
meaning
Unetbootin mistakenly installed Ubuntu 8.04
into my XP partition and install syslinux to my hd!

I got a black screen at reboot
I had no experience with saving windows(it was still there, just unbootable)
I had no XP recovery disk
bye bye windows...

in frustration I installed ubuntu 8.04 after retreiving my files off xp hd
with Ubuntu livecd

I haven't looked back since
I could have easily saved windows had I known..

anyway, I'm glad it happened

Now, I do recommend Crunchbang-Lite-9.04
You must understand that Unetbootin uses the version of syslinux
that comes with your OS
so, Unetbootin in Fedora 12 is better than Ubuntu's(any)
most newer distros have a newer syslinux
just not Ubuntu!

Now, just explain to me what distro you wanna try first?

Do you wanna boot many or just one?

I can help you; as once you have syslinux installed to usb
your ready to go
now, any distro can be just copied to usb and setup the configs
so, you only gotta use Unetbootin once
and you dont even have to use Unertbootin
you can install syslinx to usb yourself
thus making it safer to do
 
Old 11-22-2009, 09:43 AM   #23
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what overheating?

The one everybody talks about. Using plain ubuntu on a laptop and instant over heating almost. Just a constant rumour going on I even fail to know how to know how hot it is

....

thanks for the tale. *Smile*

Yes bad things just happens. But you are so much more bright than I am.

You recommended this in another thread. Very detailed. Thanks indeed

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Download the file [45]plpgenbtldr-0.5.zip and extract it.

* copy plpinstc.com and plpgenbtldr.exe to your c:\ directory.

* rename plpinstc.com to plpbt.bin.

* as administrator/with administrator rights open a command shell

and change to c:\

* then start plpgenbtldr

this program searches for the file c:\plpbt.bin. The filename must

be lowercase.

plpgenbtldr generates the file plpbtldr.bin.

plpgenbtldr must not need longer than a few seconds to create the

file. If it need longer, then see Problems/Errors below.

* Adding to the boot menu. Windows 2K and XP is different to Windows

VISTA

+ Windows 2K, XP

add the line below to your c:\boot.ini

c:\plpbtldr.bin="Install PLoP Boot Manager"

+ Windows VISTA

use the following commands

bcdedit /create /d "Install PLoP Boot Manager" /application

bootsector

this prints a long number with { }

this long number is called id

replace the id with your number in the following commands

bcdedit /set {id} device boot

bcdedit /set {id} path \plpbtldr.bin

bcdedit /displayorder {id} /addlast



Now you should be able to install the PLoP Boot Manager from your

Windows boot menu to your harddisk.



Problems/Errors



plpbt.bin must not be fragmeted! Use [46]contig to take care, that

plpbt.bin is not fragmented.



plpgenbtld must not run longer than a few seconds. If it needs more

time, then stop it with CTRL-C. Ddownload and run [47]DiskView, use

location of file, select c:\plpbt.bin, use the value at LCN and run

plpgenbtldr lcn=[your value].

Do the same if you get the message file not found from plpgenbtldr.
So much to learn but some day I will give it a try.

I still don't know if Win 7 Starter works like XP though. Win7 can be a Vista and they are set up in another way I have heard.

So most likely I have to drive from USB then and not do frugal install?

when you write

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title PLOP
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy400/plpbt
How does one as noob know if hd0 is really hd0 or hd1 or hd2 or whatever? I'm lost

My HD has two partitions. The hidden one for the recovery of the win 7 starter os.
and the main partitions some 240 GB I guess. maybe that is hd1 instead of hd0 then?

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Old 11-22-2009, 09:51 AM   #24
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regarding the question about Plop menu entry (hd0,0)
if your Puppy install works from /puppy400 folder
then so should plpbt

simply place plpbt in the puppy400 folder
and edit that menu you have for puppy
so it would look like this

Code:
######################################################
# GvR Sept 30th 2004
color black/cyan yellow/cyan
timeout=20
default=0

title Plop
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy400/plpbt

title Puppy Linux 4.00 added applications
kernel (hd0,0)/puppy400/vmlinuz PMEDIA=satahd PDEV1=sda1 psubdir=puppy400 keyb=se
initrd (hd0,0)/puppy400/initrd.gz
in grub; hd0,0 is the 1st hard drive & 1st partition
grub sees everything starting at 0

so hda2, on your 1st hard drive, would be (hd0,2)

you dig?

just try to add that above to your menu, put plpbt in puppy400 folder
reboot and see if Plop will boot usb
No need to go thru the extensive operation in your post
 
Old 11-22-2009, 09:55 AM   #25
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and the overheating applies to 9.10 and thinkpad lappys

what kind of lappy is yours?
acer aspire should work great with Phalanx/Crunchbang 9.04
look here
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...45#post3751645
 
Old 11-28-2009, 02:34 PM   #26
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I am testing EasyPeasy now and it seems to just hang. Nothing happens. The cursor just blink but nothing comes out of it. So will try Linux4One instead.

wow took forever to use unetbootin to transfer from HDD to USB.

But loaded fairly well but failed recognising my Broadcom Ethernet card and no internet.

so Kuki is still best for wired but failed with wifi it seems.

So I need both then. Crunchbang can do wireless but not wired and Kuki can do wired but not wireless.

these two linux gangs should join forces and produce a version that work wit both.

Last edited by nooby; 11-28-2009 at 03:16 PM.
 
Old 12-20-2009, 01:30 PM   #27
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Moblin works for me out of the box. Both wifi and wired. But Moblin don't have NTFS support out of the box.

You need to be good at Linux to get it installed. So that is sad. The only other distro that worked with wifi was Crunchbang but that one failed doing wired but can mount NTFS though.
 
Old 12-20-2009, 02:56 PM   #28
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Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.10 works for me now. It can do wireless and wired and does mount NTFS but it says that I need latest Flash player to do youtube.

Usually whenever I try to do such things that breaks that linux distro.

so it will take some time before I dare to test it if ever.
 
Old 12-20-2009, 04:53 PM   #29
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Finally solved and I will try to notice that on my first post in a minute


Okay. It seems that a Swedish guy using the term Exton has produced a live Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 with everything just working. I use it now on my AAO D250 and could listen to music at youtube and it mounted my NTFS and it took both wired and wireless out of the box. so finally after much searching I have found a working solution.

Unfortunately it maybe is not a good think for a Netbook with a simple Atom processor because it maybe take much power from battery? But that is something I will ask him about.

So all Kudos to Exton guy for helping me find an ubuntu that actually works out of the box on my AAO D250
 
Old 01-06-2010, 11:58 AM   #30
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Tuquito Linux worked out of the box on my Acer Netbook D250, one of the few distos that does that.
Linux Mint did too. But Tuquito does speak in Spanish as it is. I know nothing about spanish so had a hard time using google translate to look around in the program.

I hope it be changed to English? It could 2006 but I have no description on how to do it. Kind of sad when one find a linux distro that works on my gear then it is in wrong language.
 
  


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