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08-26-2022, 04:00 PM
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As i said before,
i have no time at the moment.
Considering PCI, i have an old slide-scanner from Nikon that is connected through an
old SCSI-Card which is PCI.
The Ryzen 5750G was preferred because of its graphic capabilities i do not need a graphic card for what i do,
only occasionally shrink a video with Handbrake.
But i will have a look at the suggestions.
Jan
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08-27-2022, 03:29 AM
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The B550M-C supports 4 SATA HDD or SSDs & 2 NVMEs. That's around 20W-50W (more with HDDs, less with SSDs), plus another 6W for a second 16G of DDR4, and more for anything you use to fill a PCIe slot. Without knowing who made its power supply, I don't think I'd settle for 350W if I had any plans for using the entire available peripheral support. I'd use 400W, more if a better overall value for 420W or 450W was in effect on order day. It's cheaper to get it right now, but some calculation is necessary to prevent over-provisioning. A 600W supply for what you propose would be significantly less efficient, running normally at a much smaller fraction of available capacity.
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08-27-2022, 06:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janvanl
Considering PCI, i have an old slide-scanner from Nikon that is connected through an
old SCSI-Card which is PCI.
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Think about an USB-SCSI-adapter for your scanner. This allows to choose a mainboard without PCI slots and gives more flexibility for scanner placement because limitation to short SCSI cables is dropped.
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Originally Posted by Janvanl
The Ryzen 5750G was preferred because of its graphic capabilities i do not need a graphic card for what i do
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APUs have advantages an disadvantages against combinations of CPU and graphics card.
Advantages:
- less power consumption
- less space requirement
Disadvantages:
- Ryzen (Cezanne): absence of PCIe Gen.4 support
- CPU and GPU heat must be dissipated from one point
- use of shared memory decrease available memory size and memory performance
- less flexible if more graphics performance is required
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08-27-2022, 07:47 AM
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Advantages:
- much less power consumption
- less space requirement
- less heat to dissipate
- fewer fans to make noise
Disadvantages:
- Ryzen (Cezanne): absence of PCIe Gen.4 support (not applicable with appropriate component selection)
- CPU and GPU heat must be dissipated from one point (due to air flow characteristics within case, this may be an advantage)
- use of shared memory decrease available memory size and memory performance (with ample installed RAM, reduced size has trivial impact)
- less flexible if more graphics performance is required (arguably more flexible, as either CPU can be changed, or discrete graphics added, or both, depending on whether PCIe slot for discrete card is available; discrete card may require more powerful PSU than is installed)
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08-27-2022, 12:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnulf
You should disable "secure boot". Windows 10 doesn't need this. Windows 11 requires capability of secure boot but doesn't require "secure boot enabled" currently. Only TPM 2.0 must be enabled. If "secure boot" is enabled and Windows is installed Microsoft has full control over your system and can prevent Linux to boot.
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Please do not spread this kind of FUD (underlined above). Manufacturers do as a standard use microsoft provided CA keys in the bios for authentication of signed kernels, but that does not mean MS has control of your system. It was a fact in times past that a linux kernel could not boot when secure boot was enabled, but not today.
In fact, in recent times MS has provided keys and shims to explicitly allow linux kernels to boot with secure boot active. Also, the mok-utils provide for generating your own keys and signing kernel modules to enable a system with secure boot enabled to compile and load the modules into a kernel booted with secure boot active.
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08-27-2022, 05:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by computersavvy
Manufacturers do as a standard use microsoft provided CA keys in the bios for authentication of signed kernels
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in recent times MS has provided keys and shims to explicitly allow linux kernels to boot with secure boot active.
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This all means that Microsoft decides wether a linux kernel can boot or not. If I won't use a "signed kernel" this kernel may not boot with secure boot enabled and microsoft provided CA keys in the BIOS/UEFI.
This is meant with "Microsoft has full control over your system".
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08-28-2022, 04:57 AM
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A Veteran PC Repair Shop Owner's Dire Warning - Jody Bruchon
Windows 11-You don't own "your" PC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcafzHL8iBQ
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02-27-2023, 06:23 PM
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Will have to build myself
Hi,
it has been some time.
An operation was not performed on a machine but on me, in the hospital.
But i am healed without any problems left.
In the meantime the PC i choose is no longer available.
I will have to build my own machine and will go for a graphic card too and a bigger powersupply.
The list of parts i choose will come in the next post.
Regards,
Jan
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02-28-2023, 11:39 AM
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Janvani,
You originally stated in post #16 that,
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I do not need a graphic card for what I do,
only occasionally shrink a video with Handbrake
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I really cannot see the point of spending money on a separate graphics card when the Ryzen 7 5700G has excellent video capabilities:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...7-5700g-review
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02-28-2023, 01:10 PM
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Hi beachboy,
according to arnuld and mrmazda a separate graphic card makes that the system produces less heat.
I have read the whole thread again. I do not know what the effect of a separate graphic card is on
the heat production nor on the power consumption.
Really important is raid-capability of the mainboard that is why i think a B550 chipset will do.
Today i started new selecting the components, i have a list with comoponents i would like and
the total sum for that is less then when i could have bought the prebuild pc.
So the budget is a little larger when i build the pc myself.
Regards,
Jan
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02-28-2023, 01:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janvanl
Hi,
and will go for a graphic card too and a bigger powersupply.
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If you switch to a graphics card it's highly recommended to switch from a Ryzen 7 ???? G to a Ryzen 7 ???? X because this enables PCIe Gen 4.0 in combination with AMD B550 chipset. Moreover the IGP is useless if a graphics card is used instead. Choose a mainboard which can drive first M.2 slot with PCIe Gen 4.0 at minimum and choose a PCIe Gen 4.0 NVMe SSD for operating system(s).
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02-28-2023, 02:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janvanl
according to arnuld and mrmazda a separate graphic card makes that the system produces less heat.
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IME, a discrete GPU, on average, results in more total power consumption and more total heat generation. It depends on the combined TDPs of the components. The physical proximity of the IGPU to the CPUs is more efficient than the relatively vast distance between CPU and discrete GPU, which can compensate for some of the difference in the generally better actual ability of a discrete GPU. Every one of the 6 or so motherboards I bought new for myself in the past decade are using an IGP. IGPs are great value. I'm sure most businesses have been using only IGPs for well over a decade.
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02-28-2023, 02:30 PM
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Janvani,
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmazda
IME, a discrete GPU, on average, results in more total power consumption and more total heat generation. It depends on the combined TDPs of the components. The physical proximity of the IGPU to the CPUs is more efficient than the relatively vast distance between CPU and discrete GPU, which can compensate for some of the difference in the generally better actual ability of a discrete GPU. Every one of the 6 or so motherboards I bought new for myself in the past decade are using an IGP. IGPs are great value. I'm sure most businesses have been using only IGPs for well over a decade.
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I agree.
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02-28-2023, 04:43 PM
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Hi,
this is what i have selected.
PLease have a look at it and shoot at it . . . .
This one will have to run for the next 5 years.
The 2 2Tb SSD's must be mirrored (RAID 1)
The m2 SSD will contain the OS's
The List:
Processor
1x AMD Ryzen 7™ 5700X, Processor
Mainboard
1x MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS, Mainboard
Processorcooler
1x be quiet! Silent Loop 2 120mm, Watercooler
Memory
1x Corsair DIMM 32 GB DDR4-3600 Kit, Memory
Graphiccard
1x MSI GeForce GTX 1630 Ventus XS 4G OC, Graphiccard
Harddisk
2x Harddisk (SSD): Transcend SSD230S 2 TB
1x Harddisk (SSD): Lexar NM620 512 GB, SSD PCIe 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.4, M.2 2280
Case
1x Sharkoon M25-W, Tower
Powersupply
1x be quiet! Pure Power 12M 650W, PC-Powersupply
Operating system
No OS
Will be dualboot - Windows 11 pro (for supportpurposes) / Kubuntu 22.04 (mainsystem for work)
Regards,
Jan
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02-28-2023, 06:17 PM
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NVidia on Linux means maximum cost, maximum performance and maximum maintenance. With Intel or AMD you get good performance with less cost, longer support life[1], and nominal or zero maintenance.
[1] Support here means using NVidia-provided drivers. NVidia historically retires driver provision for older hardware years before users stop wanting it. FOSS drivers for NVidia products get negligible support from NVidia, making FOSS support less than full. OTOH, Intel and AMD have been payin its driver writers (for the most part re AMD; fully for Intel) to write FOSS drivers rather than proprietary drivers, with support life spanning more than two decades.
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