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Old 10-10-2021, 05:49 AM   #1
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Question WD_BLACK 1TB AN1500 NVMe Linux Out of the box


WD_BLACK 1TB AN1500 NVMe Internal Gaming Solid State Drive SSD Add-In-Card - Gen3 PCIe, Up to 6500 MB/s - WDS100T1X0L

Anyone tried this card with Linux? If so does it work out of the box? I mean no drivers no nothing just shows up like /dev/nvme0 or something like that?

If NOT can you recommend a PCIE SSDcard which is absolutely plug and play no bios no nothing just works out of the box just like you would plug in a regular SATA drive, I need this for a server.

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Old 10-10-2021, 02:37 PM   #2
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I have used a Samsung 128G M.2 drive and I recently upgraded to a WD Blue 1TB M.2 PCI drive in my box for the OS. As long as it is compatible with the motherboard M.2 PCI slot (important as there are two types that I know of), you should be golden. No Bios update, no linux drivers needed -- they just worked. Running KUbuntu 20.04 LTS on my systems. I can't see why the WD Black would be any different. BTW, I use a M.2 PCI drive for the OS, and normal 2.5" SATA SSDs for my data drives.

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Old 10-10-2021, 05:22 PM   #3
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As stated, there are 2 types of M.2 slots on motherboards. One is sata and will only work with sata M.2 SSDs. The other is NVME and should work with all NVME drives. Check the motherboard docs and verify that form factor will fit and if so then it should "just work". The only other issue may be the bios on the mobo, which has to support that drive as well.
 
Old 10-11-2021, 05:03 AM   #4
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Ok maybe I was not clear or you didn't even bother checking what the card I mentioned in the topic is.
The motherboard is freaking old it's a Proliant DL160 server but regardless it has 16x pcie card slot and its standard in every way.

This is not an nvme related question as this board hardly even has sata its about this nvme card.
 
Old 10-11-2021, 01:50 PM   #5
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In that case.... No idea if it would work. All my experience is with PC hardware, embedded systems, and Laptops with the special slots for NVME and/or SATA. I guess ...try and see . Only money.
 
Old 10-11-2021, 02:04 PM   #6
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It will work with most modern distro's.
It is NOT bootable.
 
Old 10-11-2021, 02:28 PM   #7
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Yes but anyone has a WD card like this? I can't figure it out from it's datasheet if it's even has a BIOS like those old Revodrives and other SuperIO cards used to have where you had to preconfigure some raid levels to use them.
I need this to be plug & play as I will order it to the datacenters address and won't be able to configure it.
 
Old 10-11-2021, 02:39 PM   #8
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Why would this have RAID? It's not a RAID adapter...it's a SINGLE NVMe SSD that is installed on a PCIe adapter. It's literally just a NORMAL NVMe m.2 drive on an adapter. The adapter has no BIOS, it's an adapter to allow the drive to get power and to convert m.2 form factor to PCIe form factor, that's it. There's nothing special about it. It's a completely normal PCIe NVMe SSD, there's not even translation going on, since NVMe uses the PCIe bus already.
 
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To reiterate: this will work as a non-bootable drive, and you will not get anywhere near full performance if this system is as old as you say (I didn't go look up its specs but that 6GB/s spec for the WD Black is assuredly PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 - 1.x or 2.0 will reduce that dramatically (PCIe 2.0 for NVMe (x4) will run around 2GB/s peaks; 1.x will be half that)). Any other NVMe device will work in an NVMe-PCIe riser card (they cost around $10), but again you'll be limited if this system isn't PCIe 3 or 4.

I'd also avoid Samsung SSDs - they have significant issues with TRIM (its a documented hardware bug that impacts most models) that can lead to IO stalls (which lock the whole system up and require a hard reset to recover - I've personally experienced this regardless of Intel or AMD system, on both NVMe and SATA devices) and/or reduced device life depending on specific implementation (newer kernels try to blacklist a lot of features to try and regain stability, which will likely cause write thrashing). I've had good luck with ADATA, but I can't imagine WD (which owns SanDisk) would be a bad choice either. Again, given the age of the machine I'd probably not worry so much about getting latest and greatest - the I/O performance just won't be there. You may alternately consider just getting SATA devices and a PCIe-based SATA-III controller (I've had okay success with ASMedia-based ones (as in they work out of the box), but they may interfere with IOMMU on some systems (as in IOMMU has to be turned off in the BIOS or the machine won't POST)).
 
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Why would this have RAID? It's not a RAID adapter...it's a SINGLE NVMe SSD that is installed on a PCIe adapter. It's literally just a NORMAL NVMe m.2 drive on an adapter. The adapter has no BIOS, it's an adapter to allow the drive to get power and to convert m.2 form factor to PCIe form factor, that's it. There's nothing special about it. It's a completely normal PCIe NVMe SSD, there's not even translation going on, since NVMe uses the PCIe bus already.

https://shop.westerndigital.com/cont....1280.1280.png

It says some AIC RAID on it.

Why well degenerate engineers sometimes do that that's why. For example if you had the RevoDrive series from back then which was waaaaay before nvmes you had 1 single card and you needed to do a RAID1 or RAID0 on the storage to be able to use them. I opened this thread in hope that some1 who bought the card can provide answers as I won't be able to test it before buying.

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Old 10-13-2021, 08:46 AM   #11
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I looked up the card and found the reviews that said it runs in raid mode and is only compatible with SOME motherboards.

I think the OP is right to question it and for an older system I would never plan to install it. It is PCIe v3 or better as well.
 
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I opened this thread in hope that some1 who bought the card can provide answers as I won't be able to test it before buying.
I think you've gotten an answer, but my suspicion is it doesn't comport with your desires.
 
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I think you've gotten an answer, but my suspicion is it doesn't comport with your desires.
Yes this is why I asked I don't need this particular type and I'm not in love with WD I just searched it on Amazon and this is trending lately if you can recommend any even older SSD/NVME PCIe card with capacity of at least 250GB I would welcome that recommendation. Something preferably completely plug&play with no bios.

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https://www.amazon.com/PCIE3-0X4-Ext...409037&sr=8-14

Add NVMe m.2 SSD of choice.
 
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I had not looked at those cards, but wow! Only $6 for one! Only PCIe 1X or 4X but still not at all expensive.
 
  


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