I'm shopping for a pc upgrade. I'm not a gamer, but I find I can get close enough to what I want with a gaming box with no video card. I seek guidance on the video purchase.

I've had Nvidia & AMD Video, and want AMD this time because they go to OSS kernel modules eventually, whereas Nvidia remain proprietary and are a continual PITA that way. So I'll need good standards conformity & 3D without the blistering speed gamers go into hock for.

Can someone please lay out approx what memory/ GPU ranges might suit? Preferably recent models rather than ancient; I'd like fairly small fab size, although it matters less on GPUs than CPUs. Ideally, I do want quiet, and big fab sizes mean big wattage. I'd be divorced if this thing howls or whines.

I get all the graphics performance I can use from this 4 year old 35W TDP 14nm Intel CPU's IGP. I also have this older 95W TDP 28nm AMD CPU, who's IGP performance seems little different from the much cooler running Intel. IMO, you can expect very good graphics performance for non-gaming applications from most current IGPs, whether from Intel or AMD.

Howling and whining are functions of cooler fans. IME, as a group, Intel coolers are quieter, but careful shopping can net an AMD cooler that is as quiet as any.

The machine I'm using right now has the following card:

I'm not a gamer (unless you consider Double Canfield solitaire from PysolFC to be gaming) and it has worked quite nicely for my usage.

Thanks guys, but I have an Intel Ivy Bridge (3rd Generation) and it sucks bad, is pretty useless on 3D. I ran 1600x900 and a projector on a series of talks for an audience once, and it was slipping out of lip synch if there was a lot going on onscreen. That's 9 years old now. I am familiar with the models after it, and they suck too, imho. Intel have had no 'road to Damascus' moment. They suck.

By contrast, I'd like this to be handling 2×4k monitors in 10 years time, I suppose. I am not going intel again in the foreseeable. It's AMD or Nvidia for me, not intel.

Buying a graphics card is nearly impossible right now. The cryptocurrency miners have been hoarding them. You need to wait.
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How true this is! In AMD, there's nothing below €2,500 for top gamer's cards on Ebay, although there's a few used 10 year old ones that were retired by gamers. Nvidia has a bit more availability. What you can get is a gamer pc package at a price, with addon specific cards at (mainly) exorbitant prices. I should spend an afternoon boning up on phoronix.com. But I don't want to become a mine of useless information on yet another subject.

But ebay is hardly the place to buy anyhow.

business_kid,

Is this AMD Ryzen 7 5700G with integrated graphics of any use to you or have I got hold of the wrong end of the stick?
https://uk.pcmag.com/processors/1348...-ryzen-7-5700g

AMD Ryzen 7 5700G:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-...a-graphics-cpu

AMD Ryzen 5 5600G:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-...a-graphics-cpu

Inexpensive AMD card for linux? You might be able to get a R9 380 and get only a little bit price gouged. This is not a great card by modern standards, but if you are just looking to get by at 1080p/60Hz on linux, it will play a lot of games. In my experience, any AMD card superior to that one will definitely be way overpriced until the supply/demand problem resolves itself.

Thanks, but I haven't seen it. I had more or less decided to go cheap, because let's face it, it isn't hard to improve on the Ivy Bridge. I can upgrade myself any time. I had also decided to put up with the nuisance value of Nvidia if necessary. I can buy when/if the situation levels out. Buying a box instead of a laptop, I can just upgrade the video.

To give you and idea about what's going on with graphics card prices, about 3 years ago I bought a Radeon Rx 580 card for around $200. It's a midrange card. Today they are selling for $690 on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Radeon-RX-580.../dp/B075G3279T

Yes, they are impressive, the ryzen 7 5700G particularly. But you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick - sort of. I'm a stroke victim with one functioning arm and other issues, and no longer in a position to build my own PCs. I may go that way if I get someone building for me.

EDIT: I take it the 'renoir' graphics is superior to the 'Vega' (which iirc is older) but I'm surprised to see 8 cores along with a GPU all working with only 65W. The small (7nm) fab size makes that sort of thing possible, but I'm wondering how much things have been toned down.

I may be off topic here, but if you aren't a gamer, why do you need a card, unless you are upgrading an old computer? I bought a new desktop 2 years ago with an AMD A6-9500 that includes Radeon 5 graphics and I'm happy. The processor and power supply fans are so quiet that I have to put my head under the table to notice them.

I want to future proof myself if possible and get good standards compliance. Who knows what pcs will be doing in 10 years?
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https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-renoir.g935

https://uk.pcmag.com/processors/1327...integrated-gpu

Renoir is the codename for the APU Core. The GPU portion of that core is still Vega.

I have the 15-watt version of that chip (Ryzen 7 Pro 5850U, 8 core + Vega 8) and it should do VERY well. The only great limitation on it is that it lacks PCIe 4.0 entirely, so if you use an NVMe drive (which why wouldn't you), there's no reason to go to a high-end NVMe 4.0 drive, as you won't be able to take advantage of the increased speed offered by 4.0.