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BW-userx

12-29-2015 05:11 PM

USB to IEEE 1394 4 Pin Firewire iLink Adapter Cable

can I use a cable such as this "USB to IEEE 1394 4 Pin Firewire iLink Adapter Cable" to hook up a external HDD to it so I can utlize that firewire port as well on my laptop?

actually by this photo I am looking at is a female / female (?) where the USB end would need to be a male?

the computer side would be concidered the male end, and the cord would be female, yes?

or is USB unisex ;) giggle giggle ;) lmao

what would the draw backs be if any?

rokytnji

12-29-2015 05:58 PM

My pmcia to 2- usb 2.0 and 1-firewire and 1-minifire port works with the Sis chips in it
and yenta handles the pcmcia slot driver for the card. I can access usb and firewire devices with it in AntiX with my 4.2 kernel.

All I can say it is hit or miss with hardware like you describe. You should be ok unless the hard drive is so exotic it has a setup like a lets say "Direct TV hard drive" has.

BW-userx

12-29-2015 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5470602)

I just got a few toshiba internal 2.5's I can use for external with a cable looking into what I can use because I think that cable I got for cloneing is going bad on me, I install the HDD into the laptop no problems with it, so it got a be that cable and I got what looks like what you got too a pmcia / and a firewire connections in my laptop that are not even being used for anything -- like wasted tech from yrs gone by -- was just looking into alternatives before running out and getting another cable

BW-userx

03-15-2016 08:41 AM

Reviving this link for more questions: This is all new territory to me with loading and configuring modules to load during start up and configuring them to work and all that it entails.

OK I got my cables, now I'm wondering how to get this to actually work. From what I understand by issuing the commands below that show the output the fire wire module is loaded. The system sees the port, but not the hard drive I have plugged into it.

My makeshift set up I have is a firewire male to male USB, a double female adapter that connects the USB cable that has two kinds of connections on it. one is the standard USB connector and the other is that like you see on the external 3.0 USB WD "MyPassport" external hard drive. The one with the little notch in it. then it is plugged into a logic board that has all of the do dads that make it work. Connect to a 2.5 internal hard drive to use through a USB port. It does work using a USB port btw, only now it is setup to use through a firewire port.

I've rebooted my system with everything plugged it and it still does not see the hard drive to connect it. I know this has to be able to work, because I've seen the cases one can buy that have the firewire connection that one just plugs a internal hard drive in to it to use as an external hard drive.

Now I am curious to what steps have I not yet performed that still need to be taken in order to get this to work?

This is all new territory to me.

Using Kernel version 4.4.5_1

ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)

Code:

%userx@voided 08:27:30 ~ >>$ ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r) 

build          modules.alias.bin    modules.dep      modules.order    modules.symbols.bin

kernel        modules.builtin      modules.dep.bin  modules.softdep  updates

modules.alias  modules.builtin.bin  modules.devname  modules.symbols

lspci

Code:

86:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 06)

lsmod

Code:

firewire_ohci 40960 0

modinfo ohci1394

Code:

%userx@voided 08:19:59 ~ >>$1 modinfo ohci1394



filename:      /lib/modules/4.4.5_1/kernel/drivers/firewire/firewire-ohci.ko.gz

alias:          ohci1394

license:        GPL

description:    Driver for PCI OHCI IEEE1394 controllers

author:        Kristian Hoegsberg <krh@bitplanet.net>

alias:          pci:v*d*sv*sd*bc0Csc00i10*

depends:        firewire-core

intree:        Y

vermagic:      4.4.5_1 SMP preempt mod_unload

parm:          quirks:Chip quirks (default = 0, nonatomic cycle timer = 0x1, reset packet generation = 0x2, AR/selfID endianness = 0x4, no 1394a enhancements = 0x8, disable MSI = 0x10, TI SLLZ059 erratum = 0x20, IR wake unreliable = 0x40) (int)

parm:          debug:Verbose logging (default = 0, AT/AR events = 1, self-IDs = 2, IRQs = 4, busReset events = 8, or a combination, or all = -1) (int)

parm:          remote_dma:Enable unfiltered remote DMA (default = N) (bool)

rokytnji

03-15-2016 09:11 AM

Firewire cable won't power the drive to spin it up or power the ssd if not mechanical.

I am guessing You need something like a

http://www.amazon.com/Cinolink®USB-S...dp/B014PCTNVU/

Plug the power usb cable end like into usb to wall outlet phone charger for consistent power. Then plug in the usb data cable into a usb to firewire cable.

I can be wrong though because I cannot envision your setup

Quote:

My makeshift set up I have is a firewire male to male USB, a double female adapter that connects the USB cable that has two kinds of connections on it. one is the standard USB connector and the other is that like you see on the external 3.0 USB WD "MyPassport" external hard drive. The one with the little notch in it. then it is plugged into a logic board that has all of the do dads that make it work. Connect to a 2.5 internal hard drive to use through a USB port. It does work using a USB port btw, only now it is setup to use through a firewire port.

in my mind because I do not fire mentally on all cylinders in my brain early in the morning or late at night going to bed.

BW-userx

03-15-2016 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5515762)

Picture this if you will then,

It is just a series of cables hooked together to give the end result of male firewire 1394 end on one end and a male 3.0 sync connection on the other end to connect to the logic board that is used as a medium between the cable and the hard drive itself.

1: cable one has two male ends.
2: Connector two female ends.
3: Sync Cable two male ends
4: Adapter to HDD two female ends. its a logic board with all of the do dads on it to make it work called.
USB 3.0 (PCB Module) Adapter Card for 2.5" / 3.5" SATA Hard Drive (Similar to STAE 109)

it is a very simple set up that pares it all together. ;) without the firewire cable it works perfectly through the USB port btw.

though the power issue thing you mentioned, well now you're telling me I got a go buy another Cable? :eek:

PS not sdd but a standard sata internal 2.5 laptop hdd or one of my WD passport external HDD's.

BW-userx

03-15-2016 05:25 PM

Freaking Apple took away power connectors with the use of a 4 pin vs 6 pin grrrrr

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Improvements (IEEE 1394a-2000)



An amendment, IEEE 1394a, was released in 2000,[27] which clarified and improved the

original specification. It added support for asynchronous streaming, quicker bus reconfiguration, packet concatenation, and a power-saving suspend mode.



IEEE 1394a offers a couple of advantages over IEEE 1394. 1394a is capable of

accelerations, allowing the bus to accelerate arbitration cycles to improve efficiency.

It also allows for arbitrated short bus reset, in which a node can be added or dropped

without causing a big drop in isochronous transmission.[22]



1394a also standardized the 4-conductor alpha connector developed by Sony and

trademarked as "i.LINK", already widely in use on consumer devices such as camcorders,

most PC laptops, a number of PC desktops, and other small FireWire devices. The

4-conductor connector is fully data-compatible with 6-conductor alpha interfaces but

lacks power connectors.

rokytnji

03-15-2016 07:29 PM

Quote:

without the firewire cable it works perfectly through the USB port btw.

So you are telling me the firewire port in your laptop (either pcmcia or stock like in a Dell Latitude) is not accepting a input at all in linux.

This tells me try a

Code:

dmesg|tail

to see if any errors may tell me anything when I try the firewire cable that seems to choke of any input while usb is seeing instead.

Quote:

though the power issue thing you mentioned, well now you're telling me I got a go buy another Cable

My

http://www.satacables.com/SATA-Hard-...ide-drives.jpg

requires that big brick to supply power to my drives to trouble shoot and try to pull off data off of a questionable drive. Whether it be ide laptop, ,microdrive like in a mp3 player, sata laptop drive. It just seems logical to me that when a drive is inserted into a computer. It requires a power harness before bios will see it. So I am not saying anything radical. Plugs on IDE laptop drives already have the power pin connections included in the 44 or 40 pin plug. Sata drives usually have a seperate small socket on the drive for power. Unlike IDE laptop drives.

http://www.allpinouts.org/images/9/9c/Conn_sata.gif

BW-userx

03-15-2016 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5516113)

So you are telling me the firewire port in your laptop (either pcmcia or stock like in a Dell Latitude) is not accepting a input at all in linux.

This tells me try a

Code:

dmesg|tail

to see if any errors may tell me anything when I try the firewire cable that seems to choke of any input while usb is seeing instead.

My http://www.satacables.com/SATA-Hard-...ide-drives.jpg

requires that big brick to supply power to my drives to trouble shoot and try to pull off data off of a questionable drive. Whether it be ide laptop, ,microdrive like in a mp3 player, sata laptop drive. It just seems logical to me that when a drive is inserted into a computer. It requires a power harness before bios will see it. So I am not saying anything radical. Plugs on IDE laptop drives already have the power pin connections included in the 44 or 40 pin plug.

Quote:

Sata drives usually have a seperate small socket on the drive for power. Unlike IDE laptop drives.

http://www.allpinouts.org/images/9/9c/Conn_sata.gif

yeah I was looking at that on my internal HDD's wondering if I could just buy a cable but I do not want to use a USB port to give it power either, it is to try and give me another means of using it as a "USB" port in lue of actually using a USB port.

this is what I am using to finalize the connection. 4: Adapter to HDD

I'm just playing around with this, thought I have this 4 pin firewire might as well see if I can use it to free up a USB port, after all its just a data port it should work just like USB does with my make shift internal 2.5" laptop HDD's I use for external data storage because they do not cost as much as a WD Passport even.

And yeah I found that little bulky item on eBay too. That's a lot of gear to be using just to power a hdd.

this little bugger looks nice and adds USB ports too.

Code:

% 07:41 PM [userx@voided]~ >>$dmesg|tail

[  766.964029] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)

[ 1339.136488] wlp3s0: deauthenticating from 9c:1c:12:17:17:a8 by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)

[ 1343.110777] wlp3s0: authenticate with 9c:1c:12:17:17:a8

[ 1343.113672] wlp3s0: send auth to 9c:1c:12:17:17:a8 (try 1/3)

[ 1343.115530] wlp3s0: authenticated

[ 1343.117141] wlp3s0: associate with 9c:1c:12:17:17:a8 (try 1/3)

[ 1343.119781] wlp3s0: RX AssocResp from 9c:1c:12:17:17:a8 (capab=0x501 status=0 aid=4)

[ 1343.122287] wlp3s0: associated

[ 1343.175631] wlp3s0: Limiting TX power to 36 (36 - 0) dBm as advertised by 9c:1c:12:17:17:a8

[ 2274.212305] perf interrupt took too long (5029 > 5000), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 25000

that's with the ieee 1394 plugged in. Just shows my SD Card mmcblk0p3, and wifi wlp3s0, mostly.

rokytnji

03-15-2016 08:08 PM

Well nothing really jumps out in detail with the dmesg|tail command.

Code:

[ 2274.212305] perf interrupt took too long (5029 > 5000), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 25000

I've seen that before and all I know is that when I saw it. I was not even near troubleshooting a firewire cardbus problem.
It is a pretty generic error across a lot os systems and hardware, and is above my skill set of interpreting what it means.

I have no firewire gear to test out my 5 port pcmcia carbus on my IBM T23 laptop with AntiX 15 on it.
Which is kinda/sorta close to Void Linux . But not Void Linux.

BW-userx

03-15-2016 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5516126)

I have no firewire gear to test out my 5 port pcmcia carbus on my IBM T23 laptop with AntiX 15 on it. Which is kinda/sorta close to Void Linux . But not Void Linux.

That is so old school original gear, P3 still kicking. Want another for back up? Link 120$ US

well I know it has to be a power source or lack thereof right now is why I cannot even see it other then just the port itself.

Code:

86:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 06)



86:09.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 25)

86:09.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 14)

86:09.3 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev bb)

Thanks!

rokytnji

03-15-2016 08:21 PM

I was taken for a fool once on ebay when I bought this

http://www.image-tmart.com/images/C/...e-Cable-01.gif

Like a ashtray on a motorcycle. It was pretty much useless and now sits in a laptop bag I use for storing old cables.
Ebay should not even sell these things. As the cable does nothing to convert and analog signal to a digital signal.
A converter box is required for that.

Silly me thought vga to hdmi. No problem.

BW-userx

03-15-2016 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5516138)

I was taken for a fool once on ebay when I bought this

http://www.image-tmart.com/images/C/...e-Cable-01.gif

Like a ashtray on a motorcycle. It was pretty much useless and now sits in a laptop bag I use for storing old cables.

Ebay should not even sell these things. As the cable does nothing to convert and analog signal to a digital signal.

A converter box is required for that.

Silly me thought vga to hdmi. No problem.

I'd a thought the same thing. My brain has not fully converted over to that standard yet. your oops marked in my memory for later use though, it needed. ;)

me now I have firewire cable and that double female connector that may go to waste. Thought it'd just power it like a USB port does, until I read that 4 pin does not provide power. Oh well...

rokytnji

03-15-2016 08:35 PM

My laptop bag for my T23 is Samsonite and mine is dvdrom player with a 1000 hz with 1 gig of ram in it. New battery from China also.
120 dollars? Durn. I wish in my one horse town it was worth it.

If it was not for smtube. Youtube videos would be history on that laptop. Here is a old screeny of it after I sorted it out.

http://antix.freeforums.org/antix-15-t5570.html

I picked up a Z60M IBM Laptop for free from the city offices with a dvdrom and 2 gig of ram also. The

Code:

CPU:      Single core Intel Celeron M (-UP-) cache: 1024 KB

          flags: (nx pae sse sse2) bmips: 2793 speed: 1396 MHz (max)

cpu also strains while doing youtube in the browser. The pcmcia card can also do double duty in it. I am a lucky dog out here on the Mexican border.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d-deliver-174/

So I guess I already have a backup for the T23. Kinda sorta.

Edit: I guess the Windows 7 (shocked in pentium 3 laptop) adds the extra bucks that seller thinks his is worth. For that price. I would include a extra ide drive with Windows 7 on it. But leave the Linux drive inside for speed difference. Let the buyer find out how sloth slow the Windows 7 drive installed is on that laptop. At least I would provide a out.

BW-userx

03-15-2016 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5516146)

Code:

CPU:      Single core Intel Celeron M (-UP-) cache: 1024 KB

          flags: (nx pae sse sse2) bmips: 2793 speed: 1396 MHz (max)

can't knock free but,
ebay

Lenovo ThinkPad T410 14.1" Core i5-M520 2.40GHz 4GB DDR3 320GB HDD No OS
96 US Bucks no OS but so what. Linux is for that...
I already have this one or I'd a gotten it.
some do not have HDD's but so what if you got a spare 2.5 laptop HDD slap it in there and load up Linux.

this was a better one even

Lenovo ThinkPad T510 15.6" Notebook Core i7 M620 2.66Ghz 4GB RAM, 128GB SSD

US $109.95

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