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Old 08-08-2002, 12:17 PM   #31
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Hey John, I was reading your amazing adventures, what can I say, I am not an army/navy/whoelse is in forces man, but it's quite funny, as for your cdrom/cdrw and dvd drive you made a wrong symlink
Quote:
ln -s /dev/hda7 /dev/cdrom
fire up an Xterm/konsole and issue as root (su into root)
dmesg|less use space to scroll down by page and look for the initialization step for you cdrw and dvdrom it should be something along these lines
/dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc, /dev/hdd when you hit the spammer
do

for CD-ROM/CD-R/RW
ln -sf /dev/hd? /dev/cdrw

and for DVD-ROM
ln -sf /dev/hd? /dev/dvd

hope this helps, then proceed with sound configuration suggestion thrown in here already.
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Old 08-09-2002, 09:46 AM   #32
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hdb: IDE DVD-ROM 16X, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdc: CW058D ATAPI CD-R/RW, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: 78165360 sectors (40021 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=4865/255/63, UDMA(100)
hdb: ATAPI 16X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, UDMA(33)

This is the first part
____________________________________________________________

scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
Vendor: CyberDrv Model: CW058D CD-R/RW Rev: 110D
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02

This is the second part
_____________________________________________________________

CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, ch[annel 0, id 0, lun 0
scsi3-mmc drive: 4x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
cdrom: open failed.
cdrom: open failed.
cdrom: open failed.
cdrom: open failed.
cdrom: open failed.

This is the third part
_____________________________________________________________

i810: Intel ICH2 found at IO 0xe000 and 0xdc00, IRQ 11
i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels.
ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x414c:0x4710 (ALC200/200P)
i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0 supports AMAP, total channels = 2:ched scsi

This is the fourth part
_____________________________________________________________


Well, I must be starting to get the hang of some of this (because I was trying to reconfig my adsl connection the other day and wasted about 3 hours ending in failure, I read the post from neo7777 and think "ah, now it would be better if I can surf under linux and then I can include any stuff from the konsole that crops up". I get the idiots guide out and put the files in/modify stuff/whatever and zoom, straight in!!) so I must be starting to pick it up (very unsurely and exceptionally slowly!!)

Above, I have included 4 bits of konsole output - so ignore the fourth bit for the moment.

On doing the dmesg thing that neo777 suggested, I have managed to get the first 3 parts that seem to make mention of my cdrom/cdrw drive and my dvd drive.

It means absolutely nothing too me, hence I've included it here. So I give it some "what the hell" attitude and try the first of the two symlink things from neo7777. Below is what the shell has given me back.

root@localhost bigjohn]# ln -sf /dev/hd? /dev/cdrw
ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory

So have I done something wrong


As for the fourth bit of shell output above, this is the bit that seems to mention my sound device. It has recognised it as the "ALC200/200P". Now Ihave managed to find something in the ALSA either readme or doc section that seems to tell me that the device is supported by ALSA, so now the question becomes that as the system says that it is configured to start ALSA at boot, and is "stopped" how do I make it start? I have tried clicking on the start button bit but it tells me that the ALSA driver is not running.

Does anyone have any idea's about getting the ALSA driver to run or how it should be configured?

Sorry to seem so thick but I can't get my head round what some of the instruction is telling me to do, let alone the commands needed to use bash and the various bits of command syntax (unless of course you include them in you reply so I can try to copy them "parrot fashion")

regards

John - still seriously confused!

p.s. i haven't tried the second of the symlinks from neo7777 because of the silly comment that was returned by my shell, and I am paranoid about screwing up my system and trying to navigate myself back through the rain forest of print copies that I am trying to do stuff from!!!
 
Old 08-09-2002, 10:26 AM   #33
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ok by putting question mark against /dev/hd I meant that you must substitute it for a letter sussed out of dmesg, so in your case
ln -sf /dev/hdb /dev/dvd
ln -sf /dev/sr0 /dev/cdrw
will make it.
 
Old 08-10-2002, 02:35 AM   #34
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Neo is that a typo, or am I confused? Did you mean:
ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrw

Just checkin

Oh, and BigJohn...

You may also want to create them as links to the cdrom's of your choice.

So open a konsole:
ln -sf /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom2 (if it says device /dev/cdrom2 already exists, then do this: rm /dev/cdrom and say Y)
ln -sf /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom (same idea as above)


Cool
 
Old 08-10-2002, 10:27 AM   #35
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more drivel by a dummy!!!

Oakey Doakey people,

The stuff from the last replies from you both is now in. All the symlinks are now created, though as I say, being a dummy I have got ABSOLUTELY no idea what I have done.

So I will post back when I have dug through the papers of previous post to see if I can sus what I know need to do to get the ALSA driver working.

Oh and for the MasterC, did you manage to sus the meaning of something being "as cold as a brass monkey"???

regards

John
 
Old 08-10-2002, 11:56 AM   #36
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You might be right Master about scd0 device, I just followed bigjohn's dmesg it is stated
Quote:
CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, ch[annel 0, id 0, lun 0
 
Old 08-11-2002, 12:28 AM   #37
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Well bigjohn, I just typed out a great elaborate response to the brass balls thing, and then I accidently used the same page to go over to google to find websites to back up my story, so needless to say, it didn't get posted.

Anyway, this website pretty much sums up what I said:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/brassmonkeys.htm

Is there another true meaning?

Cool

Any luck then now that you have your devices sorted out?
 
Old 08-11-2002, 04:11 PM   #38
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what next

Yo Chad,

Yup, thats about right, I dug out my copy of "Jackspeak" and they have shown the explanation much as quoted in the rumour bit.

Though I haven't heard of the bloke who runs the site (though his credentials do appear to pretty convincing) - I would have to go along to Portsmouth and take a tour around HMS Victory to see if their cannon ball racks are referred to as "Monkey's".

Where the site author says about his sources, he only quotes news media organisations he doesn't mention the "armed forces" themselves.

But then again, as I am sure that you have noticed, language takes on a whole new angle when it has been "bastardised" by the armed forces. e.g. all ships (RN) destroyer/frigate and above, carry a "Master at Arms" whois the head of the "police branch" aka crushers!, while he would be dressed as a Chief or a Warrant Officer, he is entitled to be addressed as "Master" (historical footnote being that he is normally the only "Rating" i.e. not an officer, who is entitled to carry a sword!), when I was in, i felt that no one was my master and always called them master at arms, while those with a little more "brass neck" would usually greet him with a gruff/mumbled voice and say "morning Bastard". It sounds convincing enough but was a back handed slap to the "hated ones".

I am a "card carrying" member of the Royal British Legion, and even now have come across "old timers" who have F*** **f tattooed on the side of their right hand. This dates back to when we were paid once a fortnight in cash. You had to line up, step forward when called, salute, and put your hand out to receive your pay. And yes, the humour level of the Royal Navy does tend toward the dark and sarcastic - but bloody funny!


As far as the sound chip goes, I have managed to get my adsl back up and running and have been back to "square one", I think that I mentioned that during the reinstall of the mandy 8.2, I have managed to install all the various packages so I have the ALSA driver in the system as well as the kernel sources (I just selected everything when I threw the disc in!).

I have tried to read and understand the readme and doc stuff for the ALSA but am still quite stumped as to how to configure it, I tried your
[root@localhost bigjohn]# ./configure --with-cards=intel8x0, idea, but it gave me a reply of bash: ./configure: No such file or directory (yes I am pretty sure that I had done cd /usr/share/alsa etc etc).

So at the moment, I am still stuck/clueless. My problem is that when something doesn't work as expected/predicted, I don't have the knowledge of where to go next, resulting in this "mammoth" thread for what should really be a relatively easy problem to solve (which could be connected with my paranoia in doing anything "daring" because of previous disasters!). Though I am starting to run excuses through my mind as to how I can convince my Clare of the need to spend about 30 pounds on a "sound blaster 4.1" card.

Any further ideas would be most welcome.

From now on I think that whenever i reply to one of your posts, I shall try and include a "pearl of wisdom" from Jackspeak! :-



TOT - A half-gill measure of pussers' rum previously issued to entitled individuals at the "tot time" of around 1130 am - an eagerly awaited event in the warships day. The ships Welfare Commitee business meetings could usually be held at 1125 and completed by tot time! Some Navies' with links to the RN (e.g. The Royal New Zealand Navy) still retain the Tot custom. Also note the conversational "put down" by an older sailor to a "young-'un": "I've had more ripples in my Tot than you've steamed over..."(though it is worthy of mention that 31st July 1970 is still considered by some to be The Royal Navys' darkest day as this was the day that the Tot was withdrawn from general distribution - now, a Tot is only issued on the specific command of a senior member of the Royal Family or after a defineable period of "arduous duty" such as the Falklands conflict or Gulf war etc. (during my nearly 10 years of service I received a Tot on 4 occassions)

regards

John

p.s. I know that this is going to sound thick, but what do I need to try to see what happens with the symlinks that you instructed me about i.e. whether they "work"???

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Old 08-11-2002, 05:23 PM   #39
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more sound stuff?

Further to my last, I have been playing around (using the " if in doubt, do nothing" maxim) and it appears that I have also managed to install the alsa player. though just as the cdda, xmms, kscd, etc etc. It doesn't actually play anything - as per usual, I can only get any noise out of the system by pressing the play button on the front of the drive.

Oh, and a thought has just occurred to me, am I supposed to have configured the individual apps or should I be able to put an audio disc in and use the controls to do the cd player stuff like in window$ media player???


GASH A widely used word with 4 distinct meanings.
1. Anything surplus to requirement: " You can have it - "it's GASH"
2. Anyone useless: "Don't take him, he's a GASH hand"
3. Rubbish (garbage) or refuse: "D'ye hear there - ditch no gash". Note that a GASH bucket is a waste paper bin, while a GASH shute is a pipe or ramp for ditching GASH at sea. Jack (any sailor) also adapts the latter term on occasion for the lower end of the large bowel.
4. "Any GASH talent here?" as a question posed when entering a party or entertainment establishment to enquire whether there are any nice young ladies present who aren't inextricably committed to someone else.

regards

John
 
Old 08-13-2002, 06:13 PM   #40
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Hi there John, those are cool! Thanks.

I have tried to force my system to create the same situation you have, and then I would "learn" my way out, but everytime it's as easy as modprobing for me. I have a "built in" soundcard in my truck linux box, but I have configured that with the soundcard support built directly into the kernel, no module, that and it is probably a different sound card than yours.

I am actually guessing at this point, that it could possibly be your CDROM's fault, but again this is just a random guessed based on nothing other than the strangeness of the play button working.

Can you get Mp3's to play? (If this has been mentioned earlier, I appologize for not going up to reread it). Any music file from your hard drive? If so, then I would venture my guess above, not to be such a blatent random guess.

Well John, to see if the symlinks that me and Neo were showing you work, put in a CD in your DVD drive, and type into a terminal "mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd" after you make a mount point with this syntax "mkdir /mnt/dvd". That will test the /dev/dvd symlink, now "umount /dev/dvd" and try the /dev/cdrom symlink like this: "mkdir /mnt/cdrom2" "mount /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom" just leave the disc in your DVD drive. This should have also mounted the same disc, but in the new location of "/mnt/cdrom2". This would all work if your have done this:
ln -sf /dev/hdb /dev/dvd
AND
ln -sf /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom2

for your DVD drive. Remember that in linux you can call a DVD drive a CDROM and it will still allow you to read DVD's and vice versa. In fact you can call it "/dev/unclesamstavern" and it will still work.

Ok that's for the DVD, no for the CDRW...
mkdir /mnt/cdrw
mount /dev/sr0 (or scd0 possibly?) /mnt/cdrw

Now the disc should be mounted in the /mnt/cdrw directory. Browse over there and check. Either with a gui filemanager (konqueror) or if you are likin this command thing "cd /mnt/cdrw ENTER ls(that is press ENTER and then type LS in lower case)" will display all the contents of the disc.
Now to check the other symlink
umount /dev/sr0
mkdir /mnt/cdrom
mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
cd /mnt/cdrom
ls

And it should again display the contents.

Cool
 
Old 08-14-2002, 07:17 AM   #41
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???????????????

[root@localhost bigjohn]# mkdir /mnt/dvd
[root@localhost bigjohn]# mount /dev/dev /mnt/dvd
mount: special device /dev/dev does not exist
[root@localhost bigjohn]# mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd
/dev/dvd: Input/output error
mount: block device /dev/dvd is write-protected, mounting read-only
/dev/dvd: Input/output error
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[root@localhost bigjohn]#

Well Chad,

I started folowing your instructions (even though I did manage the mount /dev/dev typo which was probably cos I wasn't concentrating as I managed to crush a finger in the shutter on my truck yesterday morning and now sport a goodly sized bandage and a fair bit of pain despite the pain killers!) anyway as you can see from above, it hasn't gone as expected.

I am quite embarassed at not being able to make this damn sound device work despite of the marvellous assistance you have been giving! I must seem really thick!

From what you said about your sound chip in the previous post, I seem to recall that although my sound support seems to be as a module, I understand that that module is within the kernel (I think thats right anyway!) so it has got to be something basic.

So I'm going to hit the info pages at mandrake again and see if I can't make head or tail of them.

Also, when you instruction started giving me curious answers from my shell, I tried just seeing if the actual dvd device would would play some music like with the cdrom/cdrw combo i.e. the play button, but it won't.
So I can only get the music playing with the cdrom/cdrw combo and it's play button as previously mentioned.

I am wondering if there is some way of configuring the sound device that I have missed. Because although mandrake is supposed to be "idiot proof", it's never come across an idiot as big as me!

But I don't know, because when I go into the system "harddrake" or what ever it is called, it doesn't show the chip as a sound card or device even though it seems to have recognised it during install and boot up, otherwise surely it wouldn't be able to play me the music even with the play button.

The other reason I think that I must have missed something is that I don't get the jingle music when I start KDE. So I think that I have to take a step backwards to try and re assess whats going on.

What do you think? And I will post again if I can find anything from mandrake to let you know how it's going.


Deeks The usual pronounciation for the acronym DQ's*

* DQ's is the acronym for Royal Navy Detention Quarters Portsmouth in the Naval Base. Sited by the rear gates of HMS Nelson naval barracks to facilitate easy transfer from "the captains table or a court marshal" to detention. note1.

note 1. Since the armed forces "cutbacks" of the early 90's, imprisonment facilities formerly offer at RNDQ's Porsmouth are now offered at the MCTC Colchester (please note that there is no such thing as a military prison, only a "Military Corrective Training Centre". The building formerly used as RNDQ's Portsmouth is now the home of the "Royal Marines School of Music". I suppose that prison cells make ideal practice rooms for the bandsmen!


regards

John
 
Old 08-14-2002, 08:23 AM   #42
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Like the Deeks, that's pretty cool, thanks.

You will have to specify a filesystem, forgot that one, my bust. If it's not an entry in your /etc/fstab file (don't worry about that yet, that's college, we are still in high school on this one) then you have to specify a filesystem. So here is the syntax for your console:
mount -t iso9660 /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd
cd /mnt/dvd
ls

if it worked, then you should see some files now from the CD, now to unmount it and try the CDRW...
umount /mnt/dvd
mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrw /mnt/cdrw
cd /mnt/cdrw
ls


This is just of course testing the symlinks for the DVD and CDRW not the sound at all. And I am thinking that it's direct hardware access playing the CD's, (oh btw, the "test" CD's that you are using above shouldn't be audio CD's) not any software or driver being used really. Just the CD playing directly out the PC speakers via the soundcard. Just a guess, I am no hardware guru.

Just for kicks since you have "reinstalled" your system, open a terminal and type "modprobe via8233" and if nothing returned, good. If errors, try "modprobe i810_audio" If nothing returned, good. Now restart your X server and log back in as root like this:
CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE
now log in as root.

And thanks for the exerpts at the end of your messages, just so you know I sent a link to my mom and brother so they can read em. huh huh

Cool
 
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www.mandrakeuser.org is where I have been looking for some inspiration and I ended up in "stress mode 1 alpha".

I must be really thick, I mean I just didn't understand what they were trying to tell me!

The only bit that sort of made sense, when it went on about the configuration facility. Except, when I follow their instructions, the system (well the config thing) doesn't even seem to recognise the fact that there is a sound device onboard.

I am pretty sure that I have included the bits that ronin24 mentioned way back i.e. added the suggested alias to the modules.conf (though I think I called it "intel8x0 or i8x0 and not by the via chip number).

Also, is it possible that I am just listening to music direct from the sound chip/cdrom-cdrw combo and not actually touching the software?

Fortunately, I have been rescued from sending a total snottygram/flamer direct to mandrake to tell them where to shove their software etc etc by a pint of Archers (peach schnapps) and lemonade, washed down by a couple of bottles of spiced cider". I suppose it could be quite easy to be alcholic if we didn't have to pay such extortionate prices for booze here!.

Hell, I even thought about downloading slackware or debian, but come to my senses as that would leave me in even more "uncharted waters" (aka s**t).

Still, sometimes the drink isn't quite the devil that it's portrayed as!

Beer tokens Pound coins/money.

I'll post again tomorrow morning when I have manage to give your suggestions a try

regards

John
 
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Cool...

Although sometimes it may be frustrating to setup and administer linux, I wouldn't blame a distro, especially Mandrake. It's still relatively new and working on becoming a full forced Desktop replacement. Until it becomes as easy as "point here, click here, say yes, click finish" there will be some bridges to cross. Don't worry dude, we will keep helping you, and hopefully sometime in the near future you will be able to listen to your favorite CD's and music files.

If you are going to try out another distro, I doubt Slack would be the choice you'd want to make. Maybe SuSE, but not Slack. Slack will put you where you are most uncomfortable, right in the command line, without a clue of what to type. Nah, stick with Mandy, and learn how to get around there first, and in no time you will be able to build your own distro and tell kids like me how to run their new distros.

Good luck John

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???????????????

Ok Chad,

I haven't had a chance to try you ideas yet, Clare has been busy doing some stuff for her work and trying to finish some post grad stuff that she took up earlier this year (she is an early years -kindergarten- teacher) oh and of course not forgetting the "slave drivers" that I have too work for.

I hope all is well with you and yours, and will try and post back when I have had time to try the ideas.

(as) poor as piss "Jolly Jack's" standard description for low-quality beer in a pub ashore: i.e "The ale in there is as poor as piss and twice as nasty"

porridge guns Bagpipes; see also "agony bags"

porthole gazer Yet another term for a homosexual (there are lots of terms to describe "gays")

There you go matey, you will have to decide if the "three for the price of one" above are suitable to send to your mother, but your brother may find them amusing

regards

John

p.s. Jack is a euphamism for a sailor (the therm is a little archaic, but still used by some) taken from "Jack Tar" and hence "jolly jack!".
 
  


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