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Old 11-10-2017, 11:56 AM   #1
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Unhappy Start up Bios ?


Have a new keyboard, because the old one was disabled. Now I cannot log-in anymore, because one of the password has a sign , ^ , that doesn.t exist on the new keyboard, mitsai. Tried to get into Bios to change the password, but forgot which keys I have to use before the log-in screen appears and when starting up, this info goes so quick I cannot see it.
This sign isn.t on a letter. Can somebody help me out, I'm working on a windows laptop and miss all my documents, contacts etc to work with.
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Old 11-10-2017, 12:10 PM   #2
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^ is ASCII 94. Holding down "alt" and typing 9 then 4 should produce the ^ (caret).

On testing just now I found I had to do the 9 and 4 on my numeric keypad rather than on the number keys above the letters for some reason.

http://www.theasciicode.com.ar/
 
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Old 11-10-2017, 02:10 PM   #3
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no Bios ?

Hi, you mean I don't need to enter in Bios, if Asus PC accept my log-in ?
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Old 11-10-2017, 02:50 PM   #4
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I was saying if the password you are using includes the caret (^) as you said that there is a way to generate that character even if your keyboard doesn't have that key.

It wasn't clear to me why you were trying to enter BIOS but I thought it was just because you couldn't enter the caret for the password you were trying.

P.S. It may be that hitting "shift 6" will work - on regular keyboards the caret is on the 6 key. If you haven't changed settings to recognize your new keyboard's differences it may just accept the key as if it did have the caret.

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Old 11-10-2017, 06:55 PM   #5
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If the ASCII suggestion does not work and if you are in the states your local everything / office supply store should have very cheap and basic USB keyboards for ~ $10 a piece. Also you might be able to borrow one from a neighbor / work office?
 
Old 11-11-2017, 05:59 AM   #6
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ASCII94 not working

Dear MensaWater,
The alt kwy + don't do the trick, I have to have the num lock key lighting ? error wrong password. Maybe you can give me the upper keys to enter Bios where I can change password suitable for new keyboard ?
Thanking in advance,
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Old 11-11-2017, 02:52 PM   #7
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I too would have thought that the keyboard alt key trick would have worked. There may be more than one way to generate that character too.

Try holding alt plus 0 9 4
 
Old 11-12-2017, 04:31 AM   #8
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Question Bios or set-up

Dear all,
I have a manual for the Bios Asus PC, but I wonder that if I want to change this administrator password, I should type in old one and that I cannot without the special sign.
If I do a set up with flashdrive instead, will I have an opportunity to change the administrator password ? Of course I could tryout this first, but when PC is shut down, I still have to type in administrator password, or do I have a chance to change this with set up, e.g. with user password. I'll try the suggestion of Jefro as well.
Thanking in advance
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I wasn't aware that the alt+ method worked under Linux? Are you guys sure it does?
miramarcos, unless it is the BIOS password you are struggling with then don't waste any more time looking at the BIOS. The BIOS does not determine the keyboard layout -- that is down to which key code the keyboard sends to the machine and which layout is set by the operating system.
Either just buy a cheap keyboard with US layout as suggested by incorrigible_bachelor or google the layout of the keyboard you have and find out where the character you need should be. You can test this by typing into the username box instead of the password one so that characters show up on screen or, if there is not username box, by switching to a virtual terminal and doing the same there.
Which layout is the new keyboard anyhow?
 
Old 11-12-2017, 05:31 AM   #10
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keyboard typing wrong characters

Hello UK,
it is a cheap wired Mitsai with portuguese layout (because old keyboard didn.t work anymore), tried several things already entering root password
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Old 11-12-2017, 05:37 AM   #11
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Hi,
Just tried what Menswater suggested, shift 6, and PC started again, what a relief, many thanks
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Old 11-13-2017, 12:15 PM   #12
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I wasn't aware that the alt+ method worked under Linux? Are you guys sure it does?
As I noted in my post it worked for me in Linux. I'm not sure it would work in BIOS which is where the OP was trying it.

Anyway he said my alternate suggestion of Shift-6 worked.

This link suggests and alternate way of doing it for Linux among other things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:E...ial_characters
 
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As I noted in my post it worked for me in Linux. I'm not sure it would work in BIOS which is where the OP was trying it.

Anyway he said my alternate suggestion of Shift-6 worked.

This link suggests and alternate way of doing it for Linux among other things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:E...ial_characters
Thanks, I'll have to give it a go. i'll admit that I generally tend to use keyboards without numeric keypads but seemed to recall that even with one the Alt+ method didn't work when I tried it on Linux.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 12:39 PM   #14
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Thanks, I'll have to give it a go. i'll admit that I generally tend to use keyboards without numeric keypads but seemed to recall that even with one the Alt+ method didn't work when I tried it on Linux.
Believe it or not it sometimes depends on whether is the the left alt key or the right alt key (or shift etc...). As I noted in my Linux test the 9 and 4 above the alpha keys didn't work with alt but the 9 and 4 on the numeric did. This has a lot to do with the way keyboards are mapped and what your setup thinks they are sending. The shift-6 worked for OP presumably because it saw the electronic signature from that key combination it expected for caret. I've seen similar issues where shift-3 produced the octothorpe (# = which we in America know as the number or pound sign and nowadays as the hashtag) but in British keyboards that shift-3 results in the "pound" ( = sign used for their money).
 
Old 11-14-2017, 06:01 AM   #15
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ASCII codes

working in LibreCal, cannot find the equal sign on new keyboard. tried Alt 61, but the sign doesn t come up. Anybody a suggestion what would work ? Tried practically all figures and letters with signs next to them or above, but no equal sign. The keybord is mitsay with a portuguese layout, which I didn t change in settings, because than I-ll be stuck again with root password.
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