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Old 05-22-2021, 08:40 AM   #1
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Question SSD internal laptop hdd


I wanted to separate out my linux hdd to single boot instead of dual boot in my laptop (which currently 1 hdd for win os and linux os ; the 2nd internal hdd is for data only - due to volume issue).

I check 1Tb internal (laptop form factor) is only 60Euro, not expensive, but ssd is significantly expensive.
I hve never use a ssd before, but i have read and heard so much pro and con of ssd. \
I am wondering should i go for it ? i don't play game, but i do have a lot of multi media file (not video editor that sort of "a lot").

Why i scare to use ssd as even today.. is because they said ssd then to "tear" very easily, especially if got swap installed in ssd. because swap file do a lot of read write (while ssd to limited read / write cycle before failing ).

And i don't know how diff is it to setup a new linux on ssd, especially to avoid wear and tear...

Anybody advice please ?

thanks
 
Old 05-22-2021, 10:41 AM   #2
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Yes, interneal HDD's ( spinning rust ) are cheap. They are very cost effective for storing large amounts of data.

SSD's on the other hand are more expensive; they are also much faster than HHD's. I switched to SSD's and could not get over the difference in performance.

The fear of SSD's failing is way over rated. Early in their deployment there were some failures, and that has probagated the myth they are unreliable. They may have been in the early days of SSD's.

To keep cost under control, a smaller SSD for the operating system, and a HDD for storing large files is a compromise worth concidering.

If you have at least 4 gig of ram, linux will rarley swap. Lots of people get rind of a swap apartition all together.

I would suggest you look at well known brand name SSD's. Mine have been rock solid.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 03:36 PM   #3
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For basic computer usage, 2GB ram will suffice, even with today's browsers - an SSD will allow quicker boot times, which will make your computer appear faster.

I've been using SSD & HDD interchangeably with no ill effects for some years now, so don't worry about longevity, it will likely outlast your computer.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 06:05 PM   #4
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Yes, interneal HDD's ( spinning rust ) are cheap. They are very cost effective for storing large amounts of data.

SSD's on the other hand are more expensive; they are also much faster than HHD's. I switched to SSD's and could not get over the difference in performance.

The fear of SSD's failing is way over rated. Early in their deployment there were some failures, and that has probagated the myth they are unreliable. They may have been in the early days of SSD's.

To keep cost under control, a smaller SSD for the operating system, and a HDD for storing large files is a compromise worth concidering.

If you have at least 4 gig of ram, linux will rarley swap. Lots of people get rind of a swap apartition all together.

I would suggest you look at well known brand name SSD's. Mine have been rock solid.
Which ssd you used ? and How long has it being ?
I don't get it with "I switched to SSD's and could not get over the difference in performance. " ... does that means the performance is so huge that you can't believe it ?


One more thing, How can you put the operating system on a smaller ssd ? because right now, my hardisk has used up a few hundred gig of storage.. because i have many softwares installed. and as the time goes, i will install more and more software on it.. and also things on my /desktop /document folder /download folder..
How do you solve this issue ? you configure it to keep those folders that usually will only pickup size over the time to a normal mechanical drive and symlink to ssd (so that when i save to /desktop [for example] it actually save to spinning hdd instead on ssd ?


Thanks.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 06:07 PM   #5
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For basic computer usage, 2GB ram will suffice, even with today's browsers - an SSD will allow quicker boot times, which will make your computer appear faster.

I've been using SSD & HDD interchangeably with no ill effects for some years now, so don't worry about longevity, it will likely outlast your computer.
Ok, that sound assuring.. my ram is 14gig.. i have bad habit of leave over hundred of firefox tab open to be read thru slowly when got time. and the same time i sometime run kdenlive on it.. I am serious.. not joking. i know it is messy and stupid...that's my bad habit is.. hard to change.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 06:09 PM   #6
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Can you suggest some ssd (from amazon) for me ? because from last year reading, there is a lot of criteria to consider , so that won't be tricked by amazon into buying something thinking big and worth good money, but actually slow in performance
 
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FWIW, one is a Samsung, one is Kingston Tech and the third is a Western Dirital. All work well.

Boot times are shorter, applications load faster. The performance is better with SSD's.

The Samsung Evo is 3 years old, and the Kingston is 3.5 years old. The WD is about 1 year, I bought it after a system upgrade.

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Old 05-22-2021, 07:44 PM   #8
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FWIW, one is a Samsung, one is Kingston Tech and the third is a Western Dirital. All work well.

Boot times are shorter, applications load faster. The performance is better with SSD's.

The Samsung Evo is 3 years old, and the Kingston is 3.5 years old. The WD is about 1 year, I bought it after a system upgrade.
Just by looking at samsung evo ssd, there are so many different ssd. and the pricing also diff.. i can't understand why.
eg:
1.
Samsung MZ-75E500B/EU 850 EVO interne SSD 500GB
148,27€
https://www.amazon.de/Samsung-MZ-75E...1726589&sr=8-7
**why this is more expensive than No.3 which is bigger in size ?

2.
SSD SAMSUNG 250GB 860 EVO SATA3, 550/520MBs MZ-76E250B/EU
69,59€
https://www.amazon.de/SAMSUNG-250GB-...1726589&sr=8-8

3.
Samsung 860 EVO 1000 GB 2.5" Serial ATA III SSD (1000 GB, 2,5 Zoll, Serial ATA III, 550 MB/s, 6 Gbit/s)
145,00€
https://www.amazon.de/Samsung-6-3cm-...1726589&sr=8-9
*** look this is 1 gig in size, yet it is cheaper than No.1 which is 500Gig in size..
 
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The evo 850 and 860 are different. You need to look at the specs and see which works for you, both in performance and cost.

I don't know which is a better performer, but I know the 850 has a long track record for reliability. Demand and availability often also affect the price.

Samsung is a well known brand for SSDs simply because it was early into the market and has a good product, but it is not the only one known for reliability.
 
Old 05-23-2021, 04:37 AM   #10
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Generally, a slightly slower write speed will be at a lower price point, but you aren't really going to notice, as a normal user, the difference between 350 & 500 MB/sec.

Any well known manufacturer should be OK - Crucial / Kingston / Samsung / Toshiba / Gigabyte
 
Old 05-23-2021, 05:18 AM   #11
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andrewysk,

SSDs are generally very reliable but I had the misfortune in 2016 to have a Samsung 850 PRO with a 10 year warranty fail after 8 days!

More recently I have purchased several Crucial SSDs in various sizes for myself and others. They have all performed fine so far and I can recommend them.

Example:
Crucial MX500 SSD 1TB:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-MX5...077SF8KMG?th=1

Regardless of the brand and model of any SSD, do make sure that you have a backup of your personal data on an external drive or elsewhere, because an SSD is definitely going to fail at some time.

It is a terrible shock to switch on your computer and stare at a black screen.
However it is an utter disaster if you have not backed up your data!

You can of course send your failed SSD a data recovery company and hope that they can salvage your data.

In my experience there are many disreputable data recovery companies with little technical competence and who are only interested in taking large sums of money from unsuspecting customers.

One of the top UK professional companies is Essential Data Recovery.
This company saved a friend from losing all her data on an Apple Mac after Apple themselves were unable to help.
http://www.essentialdatarecovery.co....CAAEgLO8vD_BwE

Old spinning drives are also going to fail eventually, but generally speaking it is much easier and cheaper to recover the data yourself.
Also HDDs tend to give off warning signs of impending failure, unlike SSDs.

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Old 05-23-2021, 05:26 AM   #12
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Any well known manufacturer should be OK - Crucial / Kingston / Samsung / Toshiba / Gigabyte
From my experience I would definitely omit Kingston from that list.
 
Old 05-23-2021, 07:51 AM   #13
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Well mine is OK, been running for several years, off & on, (or should I say in & out of laptops, & attached to RPi), no problems.
 
Old 05-23-2021, 12:57 PM   #14
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Thanks for the good infos. Appreciate them.
 
  


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