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Old 10-07-2017, 08:26 AM   #16
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Brother low end models suffer from the lack of on board processing... I spent the extra money for the HL-L2360DW which still uses PCL6 so that I didn't have to mess with mulitlib.
 
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Old 10-07-2017, 09:10 AM   #17
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Hi,

I am very happy with my Brother mono-laser printers. I have been using Brother printers for years and find the devices very reliable and most drivers are available at openprinting.

Plus the toner does not cost a arm & leg to purchase. I get mine at Office Depot when on sale. I use cups and have no trouble using my networked printers.

Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
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Old 10-07-2017, 09:56 AM   #18
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Today I saw a HP all-in-1 Deskjet on offer in Tesco for £24! Yes, it's HP and I'm cheesed off with them. Yes, it's an inkjet and they dry out if not regularly used. But £24? That's what I would normally expect to pay for cartridges!

HP don't actually recommend this model for Linux but it is supported by hplip.
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Support Information:
Minimum HPLIP version 3.15.6
Support level Full (See note11.)
Recommended? No (See note15.)
It comes with what they call a "starter" cartridge, which contains less ink than a regular replacement cartridge (about a quarter apparently). But for such a small sum, it's surely worth playing about with as an interim solution.

Incidentally. I found this blog which has some interesting posts in it. I especially like the one by Haiki.
 
Old 10-07-2017, 03:29 PM   #19
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I've had a look at some of those. The monochrome ones are $90-100, about £60-65 in our money, which I suppose is reasonable (though it's more than I paid for the rest of my system!). But they all seem to require proprietary 32-bit drivers, and that means having a multilib system. I could have that in Debian and probably in Crux, if I rebuild my kernel, but certainly not in LFS (unless I create a 32-bit CLFS).

What did you do about drivers?
cups with foomatic db and foomatic-engine from SlackBuilds, then I usually pick Brother-HL-2140 (pxlmono)
https://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=foomatic&sv=14.2

I don't have multilib installed so that driver must not require it. It picks up my printers economy mode on toner which helps make it last longer. The generic drivers don't seem to have that option. I like to set the default to draft and economy on. It has a WiFi printer option but I don't use it that way, so can't comment on that feature.

All in all I've had the best luck with Brother (not a paid spokesperson)....LOL

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Old 10-07-2017, 03:31 PM   #20
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Hi,

I am very happy with my Brother mono-laser printers. I have been using Brother printers for years and find the devices very reliable and most drivers are available at openprinting.

Plus the toner does not cost a arm & leg to purchase. I get mine at Office Depot when on sale. I use cups and have no trouble using my networked printers.

Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
Do you use the Office Depot brand? I try to grab those when they have them.....coupons help alot as well ...
 
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Hi,

Most of the ones on sale are Brother toners that I do buy. Not much difference in cost for Brother vs unbranded.

Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
Old 10-10-2017, 02:05 AM   #22
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Just to round this off:

I spent a most amusing hour yesterday after googling my error messages, finding site after site, blog after blog filled with howls of outrage about the underhand policies of HP in programming their printers to fail when used with compatible cartridges. Some of these posts were from this year, and apparently the trick they tried in 2016 is back in use again. Even people who bought original cartridges still got stung when they falsely declared themselves empty, although they actually had so much ink in them that you could hear it sloshing about.

Most of these people ended up by saying that they would never ever buy HP again. They were a good firm once but now they are crap.

We tend to think of HP as the good guys because they have open source drivers for their hardware. But the whole point of free software is that you own the software you acquired legitimately, and you can use it any way you like. It makes no sense to say you champion free software if you don't apply the same logic to the hardware. Many of these posters pointed out that they had bought the printer and bought the cartridges, and yet HP were preventing them from using what they had bought.

In some of these cases, they couldn't even use all-in-one HP devices as scanners. The software inside bricked the whole machine because of the cartridge problem. That does not seem to be the case with my Photosmart. I just tried the scanner and it still works. But I am definitely buying a Brother next time and it will be a laser printer.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 10:27 AM   #23
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Just to add my tuppence-worth to the tail-end of this, I've always used Epsons, since time out of mind, really. They're one of the oldest printer-only companies still around, and although there's always been the up-front claim that, 'Oh, we don't support Linux', the drivers are available from their own download site.!

Yes, they're perhaps a bit 'agricultural' compared to some, though their recent offerings aren't bad at all. The ideal answer is the Eco-Tank system, which does away with cartridges altogether. You fill up large, externally-mounted tanks from a bottle..... I have an old SX218 all-in-one; prints/scans/faxes (you know the kinda thing.) It, too, only gets occasional use, yet I've never yet had the print heads dry out. Usage is sometimes months apart.....they're as reliable as they come, TBH, and you can get some pretty amazing deals on Epson-compatible cartridges at prink.co.uk. I got my last lot from them at something like £15 for 16 cartridges; they're good-quality, don't fade, and last a long time.

Drivers, if not on their site, are easily available from OpenPrinting. And there's none of this nonsense with cartridge-checking; you get a cartridge, you plug it in, you use it till it runs out. End of subject.


Mike.

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Old 10-13-2017, 11:19 AM   #24
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You'll laugh! I've got an old Epson dot-matrix printer upstairs on oldboy, which is currently my sole working printer. Cups doesn't much like it: it has taken to pausing the print, which is apparently what it does when ink is low. I have to log on to the cups admin page and resume the print by hand. But then it works.

The problem is that if it does run out of ink, I might not be able to get a replacement cartridge because the model is so old. The last one I put in had to be specially ordered.
 
Old 10-13-2017, 01:11 PM   #25
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You'll laugh! I've got an old Epson dot-matrix printer upstairs on oldboy, which is currently my sole working printer. Cups doesn't much like it: it has taken to pausing the print, which is apparently what it does when ink is low. I have to log on to the cups admin page and resume the print by hand. But then it works.

The problem is that if it does run out of ink, I might not be able to get a replacement cartridge because the model is so old. The last one I put in had to be specially ordered.
That's actually somewhat surprising. Dot-matrix is actually still rather popuplar in the health care sector due to the necessity of everything being printed in duplicate/triplicate, and dot-matrix being the only printers that can print to carbon copies.
 
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:29 PM   #26
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My first printer was an okidata dot matrix. All the software at the time only had drivers for Epson. I kind of wrote a driver though and converted an ascii art image to darkness values 0-5, and ran the graphical mode across the page multiple times without linefeeds to get those darknesses (after the ribbon was pretty low on ink). So when someone was talking about printers and said they were going to get a daisywheel, I handed them the prints I was doing and said, you're daisywheel can't do this.
 
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OK, here's an update.

I went through the Brother site looking for Linux-compatible monochrome laser printers. I didn't just go by what the site said, but checked the reviews to see if anyone had actually got the model working on Linux. Belt and braces! I would have preferred to use the Open Printing database, but it's terribly out of date. Hardly any of the models named on it are currently on sale. Then I looked on the Tesco and Argos sites to see if any of them were on sale there.

I finally decided on a model called HL-1110. This is the simplest, most basic model that they make: no wireless, no lcd screen, just some traditional leds. It comes with a toner cartridge but no usb cable. No problem as I already have one of those. I chose it because:
1) It's the simplest model available, so least likely to go wrong
2) It's cheap enough ( < £50) that if it does go belly-up, I won't be tearing my hair out
3) It has uniformly good reviews
4) I found a "driver" for it on the Brother site. This turns out, when unpacked, to contain a ppd, an installation script, and a simple configuration program that the script runs. I should be able to cope with that.

I bought it just now from Tesco, my first online purchase (believe it or not) and a hair-raising business. I think I am too old for this brave new world of online commerce.
 
Old 11-22-2017, 02:58 PM   #28
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I bought it just now from Tesco, my first online purchase (believe it or not) and a hair-raising business. I think I am too old for this brave new world of online commerce.
Good for you, gal. It is a fingernail-biting business the very first time you try online shopping (specially after hearing all those tales of how unreliable deliveries were, say, a decade ago!).....but you'll find that's where a good many of the real bargains are nowadays to be found.

Quite easy to figure out why, too; firms who do exclusively 'online retail' simply don't have anywhere near the same overheads that a conventional High Street presence requires; no building overheads, no property maintenance costs, nowhere near as many staff or utility bills.....just a warehouse, and a few people to run the 'cherry-picker' robots that are in common usage today. And of course, the costs associated with a server.....but that's pretty much par for the course these days. Every firm needs one of those.....


Mike.

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Old 11-26-2017, 07:38 AM   #29
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I got my first printout today after much trial and error. Turns out there is more to the driver than I initially thought. There are two sets of filters, the one for the cups wrapper that I already knew about and another for lpd, which I thought I could ignore, but it turns out to be necessary too.

Three of the filters are shell scripts but three are 32-bit binaries. For the binary in the cupswrapper package there is source code available, so I was able to build a 64-bit version. Unfortunately there's no source for the binary lpd filters. I can run the binaries in Debian, because the installer script uses apt to install the necessary 32-bit libraries, and the kernel is set up to recognise 32-bit executables. Crux has optional 32-bit libraries, so I think I could run the printer there, if I installed cups and the necessary libraries, and rebuilt my kernel. LFS though is my main system and it's strictly single-architecture. To be able to use 32-bit binaries there, I would have to use CLFS to build a mixed system and I really don't know if I'm up to that.

So, problems. But the printout looks nice and clean and it was quick too. So far, so good!

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Old 11-26-2017, 12:09 PM   #30
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Mike_Walsh,

Thanks for the info on Epson's Eco-Tank system. It looks like a very well thought out design.

https://www.epson.co.uk/for-home/ecotank
 
  


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