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Old 09-01-2003, 02:13 PM   #16
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Follow up from previous post

Further to my earlier post yesterday, changing to legacy ATA worked well. The only hiccup was that the boot loader changed the Win Server 2003 location and of course I got a fatal error as it could not find and loader ntoskrnl.

The fix was easy...load cd, choose to repair the install...load recovery console.

Either manually repair the win boot or run bootcfg and have it rebuild. Reboot and 2003 should come up fine. Return to the boot menu and remove the incorrect line and voila, complete.

Hope this helps...

BTW, I have the Intel D865GBF motherboard with HT 2.4 GB processor and Seagate ST3120023AS HD.
Old 09-01-2003, 09:25 PM   #17
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Hard Disk MBRTool


There is an excellent free, dos tool called MBRTool here:

Its the greatest thing since Partition Magic, and
just as important a tool to have around.

Partitions and partition table information are important,
and as long as you use only one op system you can
skirt around "managing" your MBR program.

But once you get very deep into op sys managment,
care, or multibooting ops sys.. you run smack into a
wall as far as MBR tools go.

MBRTool basically allows you to backup up Master Boot Records
to file and then move them around, or restore, peek at their
contents.. ect..

Simple things like [ fdisk /mbr ] under DOS or Windows are
simply too limiting and don't give you much feedback,
and certainly don't give you an intuitve grasp of boot loaders,
[ lilo ] or [ grub -xyz] are also difficult to understand.. and the
docs quite cryptic.

MBRTool is DOS but has a complete hand holding menu system
sorta like a ncurses program.

The options are like a bazillion.. but I use [4] Backup/Restore,
then backup and choose disk [0], then [F] for File, give it a
name.. and a whopping 128 bytes! is stored for the MBR..
works great with Linux or Win2000 boot loaders...
I keep LMBR.128 and WMBR.128 files on hand and they
save me everytime.

Has made PXE booting and dealing with the dread.. "oh my
my hard disk was previously loading linux, I've loaded a
windows op sys and now it boots [ LI..] and just stops..
what shall I do now? I don't have [ dd ] and don't have a
copy of TomsRootBoot disk handy... ]

- john w.
Old 09-11-2003, 10:26 PM   #18
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I just got my order of a Dell Optiplex GX270. It has a 120GB SATA drive and I am trying to install Redhat Linux 9 on the system. The installation disk asks for a driver for the hard drive and is unable to locate the hard drive.

The information I could get off the system is as follows:

Hard Drive ST3120026AS
Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers
Bios Version: A02

Based on reading articles in this forum and in other places on the web, my understanding is that only one option is available to me:

Get a second IDE drive (I'm not sure if my system will accept this - when I ordered the system I only had a choice for adding additional SATA drives ?). Install Linux on the second drive. Download and install a recent kernel version that supports SATA and then "transfer" linux over to the new drive. I'm not sure on how the transfer will work.

Before I jump into trying this and also try and get hold of Dell's elusive customer support folks to verify that I can indeed install an additional IDE disk, I would like to make sure there aren't simpler options for me.

1) Is there an updated Redhat Linux 9 distribution with built in SATA support ? I could not locate useful information on Redhat's web site on this topic.

2) Can I get a SATA driver for this chipset and use that in the installation step ? I saw mentions in another post that an "official intel driver" is on the way but could not find anything on intel's site or elsewhere. Did Intel never put any thing out or am I just unable to find it.

3) Can I plug in a removable USB hard drive and use that for the temporary install of Linux - upgrade kernel and then "move" to the SATA drive ?

4) can I compile the kernel on another machine - install it on this machine using the CDROM Drive and then install the rest of the redhat installation ?

5) I do not seem to have the option of setting the SATA driver to legacy mode in the BIOS for the initial install directly on the SATA drive. My BIOS (which is the latest version at Dell's site). So this option that some have used is unworkable for me.

Any other suggestions for simplifying this process would really help.

Thanks in advance for all response,

Old 10-04-2003, 11:36 PM   #19
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So I'm in a bit of a bind here. I have similar systems as above (not Dell, Thank God); Asus P4CE800D (i875), and 2 ST3120026AS Drives in RAID 0. I've had this system for a few months now and I've got WinXP fully installed with all the programs I normally use.
I wanted to install RedHat 9. So I run into the same problem as everyone else. I don't really want to install another IDE drive then do a transfer. I have partitioned the existing RAID drive so I have a 30gb Linux Ext3 but if I change to Legacy bios mode, this partition doesn't exist because the RAID drive no longer exists.
I don't want to lose any of my information by formatting the separated drives for Linux. Any ideas?
Other than:
-losing the info (by using Legacy Bios)
-using another IDE to install/transfer
Or am I just going to have to wait for Intel's RAID driver?

Old 10-05-2003, 01:57 AM   #20
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If your only doing a 30 GB partition this looks to be a
smallish experiment in op sys.. tip toeing into the pool.

You might be better off running a copy of Knoppix,
which will boot off your CDROM and handling things that way.

As for a distro version that truly supports it?

RedHat Beta 9 Severn has the correct drivers as of
the beta 2, by now beta 3 will be released as we
will be in the homerun stretch for the official Oct.
release of Redhat X around Oct. 15

Thinking purely of the risks to your data.. I'd say
simply.. right now is not a good time to fool around,
epecially as the problem may vanish in a matter of

You might also consider that a plain only 100+ GB IDE
drive is on the order of $100, smaller = less cost

As for news.. Adaptec 2410SA has a new bios that permits
"partition" level array creation.. before they only let you
create arrays with "whole" disks.

The method is a bit odd.. but I found if you "first" create
a large dummy partition on each drive you were not planning to
use.. which left a portion the right size at the end.. or vice
versa.. you could "mask" and create just about any size
array on any portion of the disks.

Specific to your situation.. this means you can "recreate"
your array as two or more arrays.. (BE SURE TO BACKUP
array to make the "bootable".. but anyway Linux should
simply see the additional arrays as potential drives for
storing files on. NOTE: This is pretty ADVANCED stuff, so
unless you have your files backed up.. I would never ever
do this!

- john w.
Old 10-05-2003, 02:02 AM   #21
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oh yeah.. don't seem to repeat this enough to people.

when you modify the paritions or arrays.. reboot.. reboot..reboot

BIOS is "Not" like windows tools.. updates do not flow
instantly from one menu to another.

if you create an array in BIOS and then look at the available
drives to make appear IT WILL NOT BE listed until you reboot!

this goes for choosing the PATA/SATA drives to show in
Legacy mode as well.. reboot!.. you'll have a whole new
world of options to choose from

its very very very counter intuitive to what people are used to,
they are used to windows or linux making system wide updates
and changing their menu options on the fly.. BIOS does not do
this.. make one change.. reboot.. make another.. reboot

its freaking crazy how often this fixes all problems.. what seemed
impossible will suddenly become simple and clear

- john w.
Old 12-01-2003, 03:06 AM   #22
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I have a similar problem with the Intel D875PBZ motherboard, with a
Samsung 80GB SVD802N winchester. The BIOS version is BZ87510A.86A.0076.P16
it says about the drive:
ATA/IDE Config: Enhanced
Intel (R) Raid Technology: Disabled
PCI IDE Bus Master: Enabled
Hard Disk Pre-Delay: Disabled
PATA Primary Master: SAMSUNG SP18120 ! ! ! ! (A felkialtojelek is)
Maximum capacity: 80GB
Type: Auto
LBA Mode: Supported
Block mode: 16 sectors
PIO Mode: Mode 1
Ultra DMA: Mode 5
Cable detected: 80 conductor

So, it seems to me a PATA drive. However, I did not manage to partition it with ANY operating system. I tried linux (debian, suse), dos, win xp, but failed to partition it. Debian showed this 80GB HDD as 8GB, but does not write on it anything from cfdisk. suse and dos complains that there is no HDD in my computer; win xp says it is a 600GB HDD, but unable to create any partition on it.
I tried to use legacy in BIOS, but it has changed nothing.

Do You have any idea what could be wrong?

In principle I wanted to put only debian on it.

Thanks in advance,
Old 06-27-2004, 10:30 AM   #23
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I`m going insane!

I have the intel d875pbz as there a dist. that has the drivers built in yet?
Any one know a ETA on the drivers from intel?
Is there maybe an open source driver out?
I must get this working.....
Old 06-28-2004, 01:21 AM   #24
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Originally posted by eladla
I`m going insane!

I have the intel d875pbz as there a dist. that has the drivers built in yet?
Any one know a ETA on the drivers from intel?
Is there maybe an open source driver out?
I must get this working.....
For me it turned out to be a hardware bug, the motherboard had to be changed. After that it worked perfectly with debian .

Old 06-28-2004, 07:03 AM   #25
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I moved from e-smith to fedora core 2 and it works like a charme with the kernel update.
Old 06-28-2004, 08:26 AM   #26
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Hello everybody, i think it's here i can post because i have P4CE800D (i875). In first time i say i have problems with that mb. Problem with 'lost interrupt and disable IRQ...". I resolve this problem with adding "append="noirqdebug"" in lilo.conf. But now i have another problem, i cloned my linux partition in the serial ata disk. The linux recognize the sata disk as "hde" with kernel 2.6.3 and with kernel 2.6.7 as "sdb" with the same option, i d'ont understand why. May be someone can help me.
The second problem is when i cloned my linux, that's ok now, but when i changed lilo.conf to boot="sdb' and "root=sdb3",i reboot , and lilo d'ont foind the root="". I think it's because at startup, just before the knowledge of ich5R, the sata is not recognize, only p-ata are recognize.
Thanks for informations.


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