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Old 06-16-2022, 11:53 AM   #31
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MSI is fine here. If we followed our parts as they were slung it & out of trucks and bounced over roads, we might be dodgy too!
 
Old 06-16-2022, 02:55 PM   #32
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I am sure most motherboards are fine. We all have are own 'opinions' which are colored because of our experiences. I find that in most everything we buy. For example some guys at work like their HP Printers. I had bought one and had nothing but problems with it and wouldn't buy another. I liked Epson for many years, but the last one I had was nothing but trouble with clogged nozzles.... Now using a Brother laser printer (B/W) and a Brother 'Investment Tank' color ink jet printer and both are working very well, and work good with Linux. The laser one I've had for years.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 06:45 PM   #33
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I have used Supermicro, MSI, Asrock, Intel, and some others w/o issue (over last 30years).
It kinda gets dicey when you wish to exploit some features that match a task (CAD vs gaming vs video editing/rendering, txt writing vs heavy math, etc)

Ryzen + Asrock, seems nice. Btw, I am an AMD fan since AMD started. Always just seemed Intel got more ad time.
https://www.asrock.com/news/index.us.asp?iD=4881

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Old 06-16-2022, 07:26 PM   #34
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The only MSI I ever acquired "new" is the Haswell "refurb" that has been reliable in my main 24/7 PC for almost 7 years. I've acquired several since then for other personal uses, both new and used: 1 used ASRock, 2 new Asus, 2 used Asus, 1 new Gigabyte and 1 used Gigabyte. Older ones have included also Abit, AOpen, Biostar, "Dell", eCS, Foxconn, "HP", PCchips & Tyan. Since I choose based on feature sets, of which brand is merely one "feature", the only thing I can say about the various brands is their websites are universally among the most bling-loaded and difficult to use websites in existence. The one thing new acquisitions in less than ancient history have in common is Intel CPUs. Last board I bought new for AMD CPU was an ASRock Socket A/462. It had to be replaced under warranty within 30 days with a newer model. The replacement only managed to live about 5 years of very part time use before it would no longer POST. Outright failures since that one included included 1 Foxconn & 1 PCchips, both LGA775, both after warranties expired, though the PCchips was a mere 1 month after warranty expiration.

Probably the most important thing I've learned in 32 years of PC building is to not skimp on power supply quality. A low quality PS can easily kill a motherboard.
 
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... new acquisitions in less than ancient history have in common is Intel CPUs.
Intel actually makes CPUs? I'll be darned... Ha! Don't know why, but most all my desktops and servers have had AMD CPUs in them. Only one in recent history had an I3 in it which was replaced when the first AMD Ryzen 1600 arrived. The Intel chip was a good (but warm) CPU. I did have a Z80, 8086, 286 back when, but the 100mhz 486DX was AMD (chip is now sitting on a shelve). Don't remember the 386 series brand if I even had one.... I kept the 486DX chip around, as I remember saying that it was probably the last CPU I'd need for a long time, it was soooo fast .

Agree on the power supply. Buy the best you can afford and rated for more than you'll need.

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Old 06-17-2022, 07:37 AM   #36
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I'm not the only guy preferring AMD, I see.

I never forgave, or drew lessons from Intel for the way they handled their MMX introduction back in the nineties. To jog memories, MMX were multimedia instructions in the main, block read, copy, & write.

January to July, they sold Pentiums. They ran down stock. At the end of July (I think) they announced the Pentium MMX, effectively making the £300 Pentiums they had just sold obsolete. No returns accepted. In September of that year, AutoCad released a New Version using the MMX instructions and games followed very quickly.
 
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Oh, I have no beef with Intel, I just gravitated to AMD I think due to price/performance and then stuck with AMD. Sort of analogy of buying a 'Cadillac' vs. a 'Toyoda Camry' ... .
 
Old 06-17-2022, 12:58 PM   #38
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Oh, I have no beef with Intel, I just gravitated to AMD I think due to price/performance and then stuck with AMD. Sort of analogy of buying a 'Cadillac' vs. a 'Toyoda Camry' ... .
I'd consider both more like a 1970s Pinto if car analogies are to be used. The x86 architecture is an anachronism and performs poorly with a lot of heat and some incurable security holes baked into the very design. Unfortunately the clout the Wintel duopoly has had seems to be one of the factors in preventing more suitable architectures from sticking around or gaining traction, so that's all that's allowed on the market. PPC, MIPS, and now ARM have been kept off the shelves.
 
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Actually AMD is doing well in the 'heat' department and performance. My systems run cool and software doesn't care what it is running on. On the security front, for the most part the 'holes' are over-rated. And you'll never plug them all regardless of platform. That said, I use a lot of ARM processors today. With the all the Raspberry PIs, Picos, and other SBCs and micro-controllers ARM is doing quite well -- not to mention in every cell phone. I bet there are more ARM computers out there than anything else right now!

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