Recommend a CPU for new system build

business_kid · 06-11-2022, 02:17 PM

I've just upgraded myself, (Ryzen 5 5600 + matching kit) and my angle on it is Electronic hardware design.

AMD share details and what they do at a hardware level is pretty much optimal. I'll give 2 examples:

My last box had an i3 which has a physical sensor somewhere. That leaves you with low temperatures as you're heating up, & high ones as you cool down. AMD uses a semiconductor junctions ON the silicon, so you cut out all the hysteresis.
AMD's temperature control balances core voltage, & frequency against temperature in a sophisticated algorithm. Intel just cuts frequency as you near blowing it up.

rclark · 06-12-2022, 08:54 AM

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I've just upgraded myself, (Ryzen 5 5600 + matching kit)...

Awesome. I think you'll like it for what you want to do with it.

business_kid · 06-12-2022, 01:34 PM

Yeah - I'm hoping it will be the last big buy for a very long time. Progress hasn't stopped, but Moore's law is dead imho.I've equipped for hdmi. I don't think I'll ever need 4k or 8k.

rclark · 06-12-2022, 10:56 PM

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I don't think I'll ever need 4k or 8k.

I have a 4K 27" monitor but I found that fonts/icons are just to small for my eyes. I really think 4K requires a >40 inch monitor at least to be 'useful' ... but that size is to big for a desktop monitor. I also have a 2K (2560x1440) 32" monitor which I really like. That seems to be the 'sweet' spot for me. And with multiple workspaces (I chose four) I have plenty of 'area' to work with.

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I'm hoping it will be the last big buy for a very long time

And even then, you still can 'upgrade' your 5600 all the way up to a 5900X or 5950X ... You still have 'upgrade' options

on the AM4 socket platform.

business_kid · 06-13-2022, 04:50 AM

Yes, I do have upgrade options. I found the Ryzen 3,5,7, & 9 options were linked to how heavy the processing power was. So the more cores, the higher the first number. There is some overlap but it affects other features of the cpu. To go to 8 cores, I'd need a Ryzen 7 78xx; to get a threadripper, I'd need a Ryzen 9 9xxx

I also found the difference between the 5600 & 5600X is a slightly higher base frequency, and the 5600 is 65W whereas the 5600X is 105W. The motherboard I bought might as well have a big label on it saying "Please Overclock Me."

Of course as soon as I buy, it's trumped by a new development. Zen 4 is coming https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/...aptop-products but who cares? Not me. It always happens, and you just accept it.

mrapathy · 06-13-2022, 09:27 AM

Ryzen 5 5600x is available in 65w also. I have one. X is for unlocked 5600 is locked 5600G is built in graphics.

Dont recommend going with a built in graphics on AMD cpu. limits bus speeds to pci 3x.

Timothy Miller · 06-13-2022, 09:58 AM

Both (5600 & 5600x, 5600g is a totally different beasty) were only 65-watt chips and supported overclocking, but the X was generally binned better and so can overclock to higher levels (but not ALWAYS).

rclark · 06-13-2022, 10:12 AM

The 5600X is 65W as said above. Also same price as 5600 at NewEgg right now

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Of course as soon as I buy, it's trumped by a new development. Zen 4 is coming ... but who cares? Not me. It always happens, and you just accept it.

Yep, I agree. To that end, I probably won't jump on the ZEN 4 platform as I have no deficiencies on the Zen 3 series platform that I need addressed. So, unless I have a total system failure of course, I'll just stay on the side lines... Anyway, always go with the best you can afford at the time you feel you need it.... Or unless you just like to have 'bragging rights' so to speak

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business_kid · 06-13-2022, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rclark

To that end, I probably won't jump on the ZEN 4 platform as I have no deficiencies on the Zen 3 series platform that I need addressed.

I think you'd have issues. I think they've phasing out the AM4 socket for an AM5 one, so it's a motherboard + CPU. But they've only gone from 7nm to 5nm. I personally don't see anyone getting below 5nm for a while.

rclark · 06-13-2022, 12:35 PM

Oh, I agree, if an AM4 motherboard 'dies' in the next few years, it is an 'automatic' full hardware upgrade to AM5 motherboard/CPU/Memory (or whatever the latest is at that time). But until something bad happens or I find a 'real' need to go there, I can 'stay' on AM4 for the foreseeable future.

Timothy Miller · 06-13-2022, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rclark

Oh, I agree, if an AM4 motherboard 'dies' in the next few years, it is an 'automatic' full hardware upgrade to AM5 motherboard/CPU/Memory (or whatever the latest is at that time). But until something bad happens or I find a 'real' need to go there, I can 'stay' on AM4 for the foreseeable future.

And obviously if you need a minor upgrade, you can upgrade to 8/12/16 cores with the existing motherboard if you needed.

business_kid · 06-13-2022, 02:06 PM

It's not going to be like the old days in wafer fab. I think they started with ~2.0µm but they advanced in leaps and bounds every few years. By the time I got into Electronics, they were at 1.2µm. And the jumps were big. Now that's stopped. Any reduction at all requires a fantastic amount of work.

What makes me shudder is the tight mechanical tolerances.

Crippled · 06-15-2022, 06:47 PM

@Serena , I would recommend AMD Ryzen 7 because cost effective performance but install a Noctua CPU cooler because the stock coolers aren't very good. If you prefer to go with Intel it's a good choice but more expensive for what you get. As for a motherboard I recommend going with Gigabyte and stay away from MSI which I found to be the worst and I wouldn't recommend ASUS anymore due to their quality has dropped like a rock. The reason why I say this is from my own experience with MSI and ASUS motherboards. In the past I have always used ASUS motherboards until my experience with an ASUS motherboard that fied after 13 months and a MSI motherboard that the first one was broken which I discovered on first boot as it started going up in smoke, the second one only lasted 6 weeks.
This is my system which I built from scratch.

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Linux_Kidd · 06-16-2022, 09:30 AM

Is the buying decision value only? I still build some things using Xeon. I try for CPU that has no on-chip video or audio, use vid cards that has most/fast GPU's instead. Ryzen certainly popular and has good value, but I have not used it yet.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...m1255865vs4084

Notice in this next link they say Ryzen flattens i7 when it comes to multi-threaded rendering (probably anything multithreading). That's ok, but I use vid card(s) GPU's to do all that vid stuff, and anything else I can push to the GPU's. Is Ryzen rendering faster than nVidia(other) GPU's? Not likely.
https://www.quora.com/How-do-Ryzen-5...diting?share=1

rclark · 06-16-2022, 09:35 AM

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As for a motherboard I recommend going with Gigabyte

I use Gigabyte myself. All three of my on-line systems are currently running on Gigabyte boards ... and previous boards were Gigabyte. No experience with other vendors as I've had very good luck with Gigabyte. Boards run until I am ready to change them out for a newer one. I have a MasterAir MA620M cooling my 5900X system and really like it. The others are using stock coolers which seem to work ok. Also, I turned off the CPU turbo boost in BIOS on my systems as I don't need that 'extra' power or the irritating 'cycling' of the fan sounds.