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03-18-2004, 12:25 AM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
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Radeon 9800 pro for sale
I am absolutely sick and tired of this bloody card and ATI's attitude towards linux drivers,
I am going to sell this garbage and get an Nvidia card, at least you know eventually you'll get it working, but these ATI driver are a bloody joke. Is there no way to get this GARBAGE to work without spending 2 weeks reading crap doing reinstalls, hassling the shit out of people and all for what, then you find if 2d works 3d won't and visa versa, if thats not reason enough to dump this garbage I don't know what is. So if anyone want to make me an offer or swap for an Nvidia card let me know.
Ed
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03-18-2004, 03:04 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Distribution: Gentoo (main); SuSE 9.3 (fallback)
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I agree, but I must say that my AIW9800SE works (2D and 3D-- TV-in is not possible at this time ).
And this is under kernel 2.6.3 with the 3.7.6 drivers. It took an hour or less.
Now, as far as I can tell atm, the drivers fairly well suck (I still have to turn DGA off in WineX, despite the advertised "improved compatiblility"), and I've got checkerboarding under WineX (which I only have seen under Windows when I hacked the drivers to open the 4 closed memory pipelines that differentiate a 9800 SE from a regular 9800, so clearly the drivers are trying to use those pipelines, irregardless of the fact that ATI ought to know that they are closed).
But they do undoubtedly work. I'm considering reselling my card as well, so I'm not saying you're wrong, but don't blame ATI because you are having difficulty installing the drivers correctly.
BTW, rather than ranting here, you should write to ATI and rant at them. You paid good money for that card, and if you are unsatisfied, they should know about it. When Transgaming complained, they produced some (supposedly) improved drivers in fairly short order. So it does seem that they listen, in any case.
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03-19-2004, 08:08 PM
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Registered: Mar 2004
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Well look I got a bit pissed off
Well I got it to work properly under mandrake 9.2 kernel 2.4.24, and all is well, but why the hell is it so hard to get it going with kernel 2.6.3 ( mandrake comunity 10), do you think that if I upgrade from 9.2 to 10 everything will still work, the $64,000 question.???
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03-20-2004, 04:41 AM
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Location: The Netherlands
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No, but that's because I tried an upgrade from 9.2 to MDK 10 RC1 and too many things didn't work that I'm confident in the stability of 10.0, or the upgrade process. Plus, I didn't much like the changes in 10.0, so it wasn't worth it to me to put up with the difficulties (bugs). Apparently a clean install is much more likely to work properly, but for myself, I'm waiting till I start hearing a lot more positive reports than the negative ones I'm hearing now. And actually, I'm happy enough with 9.2 that I'm not desperate to upgrade the system.
I'm not sure that the problems you're having with installing the ATI drivers under kernel 2.6.3 are actually related to the ATI drivers, rather than 2.6.3 itself, though. I feel that many of the problems I had under MDK 10.0 RC1 were kernel-related, and now I'm using Slack 9.1, where I added 2.6.3 myself, and while the ATI drivers work, I'm still having kernel-related problems, so I can't even say that it's a Mandrake tweaking issue.
There seem to be problems with 2.6.3 generally-- but atm I can't tell which of the problems are in the kernel itself (there seems to be an internal patch which causes LiLO to lose it when run after compiling the kernel), and which of them are because that the apps I'm trying to use aren't prepared to work properly with the new kernel (ide-cd and updated ALSA).
As for the ATI drivers, they have to be patched (at least once, maybe twice) to be installed and work properly with 1) AMD processors; 2) nforce 2 motherboards.
Good instructions for installing the drivers (and patches if necessary) under kernel 2.6.3 can be found at The ATI Radeon Linux How-to at http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/. The patches mentioned can be found on the Rage3D forums at http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.p...adid=33730800.
I'm about to do a clean reinstall myself, and I may skip 2.6.3 entirely and go straight to 2.6.4 to see if it works a little better. Otherwise, I may just stick with 2.4.25. I don't really have the time or interest to become a kernel hacker.
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03-21-2004, 11:20 AM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Sweden
Distribution: Debian 3.0
Posts: 11
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Hmm, I have BIIIIG problems when trying to install the drivers, when I'm about to make this section:
cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/
sh make.sh
I get this:
Code:
debian:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod# sh make.sh
ATI module generator V 2.0
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initializing...
cleaning...
patching 'highmem.h'...
skipping patch for 'drmP.h', not needed
skipping patch for 'drm_os_linux.h', not needed
assuming new VMA API since we do have kernel 2.6.x...
doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.3/build SUBDIRS=/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.3'
.config:1: *** missing separator. Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.3'
make: *** [kmod_build] Error 2
build succeeded with return value 0
duplicating results into driver repository...
done.
==============================
You must change your working directory to /lib/modules/fglrx
and then call ./make_install.sh in order to install the built module.
==============================
debian:/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod#
I know it's something wrong with the .config but how do I fix it ?
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03-21-2004, 11:28 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: The Netherlands
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To the best of my knowledge, the symlink which points to your kernel-source is always supposed to be named 'linux', no matter what kernel version it may in fact point to (if you want to compile a different kernel, you delete the original 'linux' symlink and make a new one, also called 'linux', pointing to your other source).
Thus, this may be your problem, since that is the point at which the module compile appears to fail-- and I think that if it was "OK" to name the symlink anything else, we would have heard about it somewhere, in spite of the general tendency towards "old-fashionedness" in Linux tutorials and how-tos .
Hope this helps.
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03-21-2004, 11:52 AM
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Member
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: The US of A
Distribution: Gentoo
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I have an ATI Radeon 9600SE and it works fine. I used the latest drivers from the ATI site. On my slack box with kernel 2.6.4 installed, I just ran:
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rpm2tgz fglrx*.rpm
installpkg fglrx*.tgz
fglrxconfig
Works perfectly, no errors or kernel-related problems. Haven't tried WineX yet, though.
Where did you get the source, dest? I thought the drivers were proprietary?
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03-21-2004, 12:00 PM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Sweden
Distribution: Debian 3.0
Posts: 11
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Quote:
Originally posted by TheRepublican
I have an ATI Radeon 9600SE and it works fine. I used the latest drivers from the ATI site. On my slack box with kernel 2.6.4 installed, I just ran:
Code:
rpm2tgz fglrx*.rpm
installpkg fglrx*.tgz
fglrxconfig
Works perfectly, no errors or kernel-related problems. Haven't tried WineX yet, though.
Where did you get the source, dest? I thought the drivers were proprietary?
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I got the source on kernel.org ?
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03-21-2004, 12:04 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: The Netherlands
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Yes, reading the ATI installation instructions, your procedure is correct, The Republican, but dest (and I) compile the modules against our kernel source and then install them. For 3.2.8 and 3.7.0 I had to do this, and for 3.7.6 I just did it without re-checking the instructions.
I wonder what would happen if I just tried "installing" (which is to say, extracting) the driver modules, and then trying to insert them.....
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03-21-2004, 02:03 PM
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Sweden
Distribution: Debian 3.0
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Hmm, I dont know .. I'm so boored of mucking around with this shit any longer ... I'm going to use win in the future, till I find a installprogram for ati-drivers so you dont have to do anything your self...
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03-21-2004, 03:25 PM
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Registered: Jan 2004
Location: Lancaster, OH
Distribution: Gentoo
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I have an AOpen Geforce 3 Ti200 card and it works great with the NVIDIA drivers. My friend has the same card and the drivers don't allow his card to perform to the maximum ability. Sadly enough, it worked great for him in Windoze, but not so great in Linux because of the ATI drivers. So my card blows his out of the water when it should be the other way around.
As for the install program, ATI already has the fglrxconfig or whatever tool that you run and it takes you through setting it all up.
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03-22-2004, 05:22 PM
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HCL Maintainer
Registered: Jun 2003
Location: McCalla, AL, USA
Distribution: Arch, Gentoo
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Re: Radeon 9800 pro for sale
Quote:
Originally posted by zubir
I am absolutely sick and tired of this bloody card and ATI's attitude towards linux drivers,
I am going to sell this garbage and get an Nvidia card, at least you know eventually you'll get it working, but these ATI driver are a bloody joke. Is there no way to get this GARBAGE to work without spending 2 weeks reading crap doing reinstalls, hassling the shit out of people and all for what, then you find if 2d works 3d won't and visa versa, if thats not reason enough to dump this garbage I don't know what is. So if anyone want to make me an offer or swap for an Nvidia card let me know.
Ed
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I feel the same way about my NVIDIA card, though the install with their new
unified driver is easier than in breaking Wind-oze. So, though your control
panel doesn't say where you are located, I'll swap a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
for your card even money. I'm not reading through 10 more posts to find out
what someone else said - it's your thread. Let me know if you're interested.
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03-23-2004, 02:53 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Brisvegas, Antipodes
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The problem is ATi don't provide full support for the 2.6.x series kernels yet. Their support for the 2.4.x series kernels though is superb, my 9800pro screams in 3d.
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03-23-2004, 03:09 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: The Netherlands
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Is this with the 3.7.6 drivers, then, Aussie, or still 3.7.0 or 3.2.8? I've only used 3.7.6 under kernel 2.6.3 (where they appear fairly unimpressive), but since I'm having other problems with that kernel anyway, I'm just about to go back to 2.4.25 in any case. It would be nice if I could expect a significant improvement (since I'll need some compensation to my ego for using an old kernel ).
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03-23-2004, 03:25 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Brisvegas, Antipodes
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3.7.6 on 2.4.25 w/XF4.3.0
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