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ballsystemlord 02-13-2019 10:04 PM

POLL Do you want RTX?
 
Hey, I heard from 1 of the people that do HW reviews that AMD was considering implementing their very own RTX and looking at what people think of RTX.
If the RTX GPU has Linux support and some games to play would you purchase a GPU with RTX or RTX like HW?
Bear in mind that AFAIK current Nvidia GPU's do RTX by partially ray tracing the scene (shadows only), at a low resolution. Then use an AI to fill in the missing shadow pixels and finally use the AI to blow the image way up to 1080p at an astounding ~30fps :o!!!
My intention is to give AMD some idea of what you guys think.
Feel free to comment also!

Note to voters: Most of the answers that are "no..." become "yes..." if/when Nvidia and AMD do fix the stated problem. And I have listed the common ones.

cantab 02-14-2019 06:36 AM

I'm not really fussed. I tend to play older or indie games, not the visually showoff stuff. I've still got a 750 Ti and it's doing just fine.

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Yes, if it's in the same product so that I must buy it if I purchase a GPU.
i bought nvidia rtx 2060, i didnt read any reviews of that card, just bought it. and now i realized what RTX means when i were reading this thread. :redface:

i guess that i am not that interested about HW, like i am about software.

ballsystemlord 02-14-2019 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ////// (Post 5961924)
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Yes, if it's in the same product so that I must buy it if I purchase a GPU.
I bought an Nvidia RTX 2060. I didn't read any reviews of that card, just bought it. Now I realized what RTX means when I was reading this thread. :redface:

I guess that I am not as interested in HW as in software.

(Aside: I modified your post in this quote due to major grammatical errors. I hope you can learn from my corrections. :study: )
My post's RTX performance data was based solely on Nvidia's presentation. They used a 2080 or 2080ti if memory serves. The 2060 will have *much* lower performance :(.
Don't feel too bad though, you will be able to try RTX out and see what you think of it without having to rely on reviews. The Ray Tracing eXensions (RTX) do make the games look better. And the 2060 is probably an upgrade for you.

business_kid 02-15-2019 06:21 AM

I don't play games (Not Lying), but I don't object to RTX being there. Increasingly, we don't have to buy new PCs to upgrade - cpus & gpus appear to be plateauing, which is only natural as we are close to the physical limits of possible miniaturization. Intel is at 7nm now, ~5nm is as far as they're ever likely to get. Samsung (used by AMD) isn't far behind (11nm IIRC).

So it's only logical to buy whatever features are out there, in case some future software wants them.

Timothy Miller 02-15-2019 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by business_kid (Post 5962348)
I don't play games (Not Lying), but I don't object to RTX being there. Increasingly, we don't have to buy new PCs to upgrade - cpus & gpus appear to be plateauing, which is only natural as we are close to the physical limits of possible miniaturization. Intel is at 7nm now, ~5nm is as far as they're ever likely to get. Samsung (used by AMD) isn't far behind (11nm IIRC).

So it's only logical to buy whatever features are out there, in case some future software wants them.


Backwards. Intel is at 10nm & 14nm, AMD is at 7nm, 12nm and 14nm.

ballsystemlord 02-15-2019 10:13 AM

I was brought to my attention that some people think that this poll is about pressuring companies to make certain products. This was *never* my intent.
AMD has never implemented physX, or hairworks. Nvidia has both of these and now has RTX too. My pool is for determining interest in a particular feature.
Obviously, these extensions with cost the end user money on top of the rasterization HW already present.

ballsystemlord 02-15-2019 01:20 PM

It is believed by some that RTX is jargon, that is not true. Ray Tracing eXtensions are a significant portion of Nvidia's GPU's die space.

business_kid 02-15-2019 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Timothy Miller (Post 5962383)
Backwards. Intel is at 10nm & 14nm, AMD is at 7nm, 12nm and 14nm.

You are correct about Intel/AMD, thank you. It sparks an interesting topic but I won't hijack this thread.

Woolie Wool 02-15-2019 02:37 PM

No. Real-time ray tracing is years away from being mainstream and I am intentionally pulling away from "AAA" games that would be the first to use such technology, both due to their evil business practices and to reduce my dependency on Windows. Furthermore, RTX is currently only an nVidia thing, and [removed] nVidia and their proprietary drivers with a splintery broom handle. I bought nVidia GPUs exclusively for 13 years, but my next video card will be AMD or even Intel if they can deliver a good enough product.

ballsystemlord 02-16-2019 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Woolie Wool (Post 5962549)
No. Real-time ray tracing is years away from being mainstream and I am intentionally pulling away from "AAA" games that would be the first to use such technology, both due to their evil business practices and to reduce my dependency on Windows. Furthermore, RTX is currently only an nVidia thing, and [removed] nVidia and their proprietary drivers with a splintery broom handle. I bought nVidia GPUs exclusively for 13 years, but my next video card will be AMD or even Intel if they can deliver a good enough product.

At one point in time rasterised games were "years away from being mainstream". AMD would not be considering RTX if they did not think it would be a thing that they would want to make a product for.
As for "AAA" games I've never owned one AFAIK. I never said that you were voting for or against "AAA" games, just RTX. Opensource games are currently working towards vulken instead of opengl as their GFX API backend. It's not unreasonable to say that in 7 or so years we'd see our first FLOSS RTX game, assuming that we get opensource drivers.
As for buying from Nvidia vs. AMD, I am of the opinion that we aught to purchase from the more FLOSS friendly company, which is currently AMD.

DavidMcCann 02-16-2019 11:18 AM

I'd never heard of RTX untill this thread, and I'm still vague about what it does. I shall shortly be building a new desktop, probably with an AMD Kaveri A6: R5 graphics, so no RTX for me. My existing desktop has Northbridge graphics: good enough for Pysol!

Woolie Wool 02-16-2019 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ballsystemlord (Post 5962844)
At one point in time rasterised games were "years away from being mainstream". AMD would not be considering RTX if they did not think it would be a thing that they would want to make a product for.
As for "AAA" games I've never owned one AFAIK. I never said that you were voting for or against "AAA" games, just RTX. Opensource games are currently working towards vulken instead of opengl as their GFX API backend. It's not unreasonable to say that in 7 or so years we'd see our first FLOSS RTX game, assuming that we get opensource drivers.
As for buying from Nvidia vs. AMD, I am of the opinion that we aught to purchase from the more FLOSS friendly company, which is currently AMD.

7 years away? From the perspective of whether to buy a new video card right now, "7 years from now" might as well be in 2048!

(as for open source drivers, they'd be nice but not necessary; my Windows box gets first dibs on new video cards)

dugan 02-16-2019 05:00 PM

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ballsystemlord 02-16-2019 06:09 PM

WOW! That is much better performance than Shadow of the Tomb Raider that was demonstrated by Nvidia.


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