LinuxQuestions.org
Welcome to the most active Linux Forum on the web.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Hardware
User Name
Password
Linux - Hardware This forum is for Hardware issues.
Having trouble installing a piece of hardware? Want to know if that peripheral is compatible with Linux?

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 11-11-2015, 10:01 PM   #1
tymentide
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Madison, Alabama
Distribution: Debian, PCLinuxOS, Mint
Posts: 14

Rep: Reputation: 0
PCLinuxOS LXDE and the ATI Rage 128 video card "Live" versus installed


I recently installed PCLinuxOS LXDE on a Pentium 4, 640mb, 586 box. When I initially run the "live" CD, the video is available with no problem. After I installed the system on that PC, the video was working. However, the very next time I booted into LXDE, I received an error message, and was reverted back to the # screen. I attempted to "startx", but received nothing but an error message, telling me to read an Xorg.log.0 file. Did the ATI Rage 128 driver somehow get changed after installation? I allowed a bunch of updates to the PCLinuxOS system BEFORE rebooting that first time. Could those updates have changed the ATI/Xorg drivers? My next test will be to re-install LXDE and not update until I reboot at least one time before updating the system. If more information is needed, I will gladly provide it, though it is difficult because that other machine is out in the garage (three rooms away from this one) and has no printer attached to it.
 
Old 11-12-2015, 06:40 AM   #2
yancek
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Apr 2008
Distribution: PCLinux, Slackware
Posts: 9,306

Rep: Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056
You forgot to post the error message you got which would be helpful. Check the link below which shows minimum hardware requirements for your PCLinuxOS LXDE.

http://www.pclinuxos.com/get-pclinuxos/lxde/
 
Old 11-12-2015, 02:32 PM   #3
John VV
LQ Muse
 
Registered: Aug 2005
Location: A2 area Mi.
Posts: 17,517

Rep: Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619
Quote:
Did the ATI Rage 128 driver somehow get changed after installation?
no , no driver was used
it was all on the CPU


rage cards are what 15 years old , 3 generations out of date
 
Old 11-13-2015, 03:11 PM   #4
tymentide
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Madison, Alabama
Distribution: Debian, PCLinuxOS, Mint
Posts: 14

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by yancek View Post
You forgot to post the error message you got which would be helpful. Check the link below which shows minimum hardware requirements for your PCLinuxOS LXDE.

http://www.pclinuxos.com/get-pclinuxos/lxde/
If the rage card is so out of date, then why does it "work" when using the LXDE "Live" disk and also when PCLinuxOS is first installed? Why should I have to check the minimum hardware requirements when either of those cases exist? I should think that if this box did NOT meet the minimum requirements then I should not even be able to boot and run LXDE in a "live" status. What's the difference between the system that's on the boot disk and the system that's installed?

This computer has a problem with the AGP slot - it just doesn't work, so I'm left with using a PCI slot. I have not been able to locate another PCI video card to replace the ATI 128 card. Yes, it is an old machine, however, I still use it to run Windows 98SE and Windows XP (for programs that will NOT run on any newer Microsoft operating system software.)

That log file is over three pages long, and I think the most pertinent line is: EE no screens found (EE)
I have no way of reproducing the entire log file.
 
Old 11-13-2015, 07:10 PM   #5
ardvark71
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Feb 2015
Location: USA
Distribution: Lubuntu 14.04, Windows Vista
Posts: 6,277
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841
Hi...

I would agree that a video card upgrade would be helpful here. You can still find PCI cards that have better specs than the one you're using now. What is your system brand and model (and model number) or if a whitebox, what is the motherboard brand and model (and model number?)

Regards...
 
Old 11-14-2015, 05:02 AM   #6
ondoho
LQ Addict
 
Registered: Dec 2013
Posts: 16,896
Blog Entries: 10

Rep: Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024Reputation: 5024
the installer itself uses the fallback driver, but during installation it tried to install some driver for your card and failed, becauseit is so outdated.

from the root prompt, you have to tell X to use the fallback driver (used to be vesa, not sure how that works nowadays). please search on how to do this: "Xorg fallback video driver" or variants.
 
Old 11-14-2015, 08:02 AM   #7
yancek
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Apr 2008
Distribution: PCLinux, Slackware
Posts: 9,306

Rep: Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056Reputation: 2056
Quote:
Why should I have to check the minimum hardware requirements when either of those cases exist?
You don't 'have' to but it often saves people a lot of time. For example, in your case you exceed the minimum requirement for RAM which is 384MB but fall far short of the 'recommended' 1GB. You would have also found 'ATI HD4000 or better' for your video card.
 
Old 11-14-2015, 08:48 AM   #8
Drakeo
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jan 2008
Location: Urbana IL
Distribution: Slackware, Slacko,
Posts: 3,716
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 481Reputation: 481Reputation: 481Reputation: 481Reputation: 481
look for the xorg.confbkup file change it back. or use the vesa config copy name it xorg.conf and then try.
I will let you know if mesa was upgraded that card may not be supported. You will want to use the vesa server.
how to check at boot time
Code:
grub2 being the bootloader
press e (edit)
then add  video=vesa to the kernerl boot command line
then press ctrl  x

Last edited by Drakeo; 11-14-2015 at 08:49 AM.
 
Old 11-15-2015, 07:07 PM   #9
tymentide
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Madison, Alabama
Distribution: Debian, PCLinuxOS, Mint
Posts: 14

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
Thank you, each and every one, for your responses to my query. These answers give me a lot to test and try out. I will let you know if I successfully get that video card to work.

By the way, the computer is a "white box", the mother board is a P4P800s - i845 slot 478 -- yes, a very old mother board. (I have two computers with that same type of mother board - however, the AGP slot on the other computer is operational.)
 
Old 11-15-2015, 11:44 PM   #10
John VV
LQ Muse
 
Registered: Aug 2005
Location: A2 area Mi.
Posts: 17,517

Rep: Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619Reputation: 2619
for a OLD agp card

the antique Gforce4 is about the newest ( nvidia )
and that needs a old and unsupported 96.xx driver

for the very old ATI cards ?????
there was not much linux support from ATI
 
Old 11-16-2015, 12:45 AM   #11
ardvark71
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Feb 2015
Location: USA
Distribution: Lubuntu 14.04, Windows Vista
Posts: 6,277
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841
Hi tymentide...

If you want to stick with ATI, I think even something like this would be a significant improvement over what you have currently. It is Windows 98 compatible and is supported in Linux by the open source radeon driver.

Just make sure your PSU can handle any additional load.

Regards...

Last edited by ardvark71; 11-16-2015 at 12:48 AM. Reason: Added information.
 
Old 11-18-2015, 10:07 AM   #12
tymentide
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Madison, Alabama
Distribution: Debian, PCLinuxOS, Mint
Posts: 14

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by ardvark71 View Post
Hi tymentide...

If you want to stick with ATI, I think even something like this would be a significant improvement over what you have currently. It is Windows 98 compatible and is supported in Linux by the open source radeon driver.

Just make sure your PSU can handle any additional load.

Regards...
Thank you, Ardvark71!! I went ahead and ordered that board. Since it has a driver disk (for Winders, I suppose), I think it will work!
You folks are a real great help!!

Bill
 
Old 11-18-2015, 10:34 AM   #13
ardvark71
LQ Veteran
 
Registered: Feb 2015
Location: USA
Distribution: Lubuntu 14.04, Windows Vista
Posts: 6,277
Blog Entries: 3

Rep: Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841Reputation: 841
Quote:
Originally Posted by tymentide View Post
Thank you, Ardvark71!! I went ahead and ordered that board. Since it has a driver disk (for Winders, I suppose), I think it will work!
You folks are a real great help!!
Hi Bill...

You're welcome! Let us know how it works when you receive it.

Regards...
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[SOLVED] ATI Rage-Pro 128 video card acts erratically during acceleration mark_alfred Linux - Hardware 7 06-24-2017 04:55 AM
"NoAccel" option essential using ATI Rage 128 Pro card? Lannix Linux - Hardware 1 07-23-2007 06:23 AM
Xorg impossibly slow on Debian Etch (PowerPC) with ATI Rage 128 Pro video card Lannix Linux - Hardware 7 04-20-2007 01:41 AM
ati rage 128 pro video card drivers cyberwizard Fedora 3 09-20-2006 09:28 AM
PROBLEM XF86Config "ATI Rage 128 GL RF (AGP)" spids Linux - Hardware 7 03-27-2003 07:40 PM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Hardware

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:11 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration