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Old 02-15-2019, 07:11 AM   #1
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Passive cooled graphics card, Linux driver, 2 DVI ports - any recommendations?


Can anyone recommend a graphics card which:
  • Is a quality, main brand
  • Has a Linux and Win7 driver
  • Two Display Ports
  • Passive cooling

Has anyone got any views on this one, the Matrox M9128
https://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/p...9128lppciex16/

Any opinions at all would be most welcome, thanks in advance

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Old 02-15-2019, 10:50 AM   #2
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I would be surprised to learn that the availability of the combination of passive cooling and dual DisplayPorts is non-zero, unless for used/old cards. I have an old dual DP Dell ATI HD3470 that I would think could have been passively cooled, given the small size of its heat sink and fan.

OTOH, you could use single DisplayPort gfx device with passive cooling in conjunction with MST to achieve an equivalent result. I have one display that has the required DisplayPort output, so haven't yet tried a standalone MST device. I've successfully used daisy-chain with various passively and actively cooled AMD cards and with (onboard) Intel DisplayPorts.

As to availability of drivers, I doubt there would be such a component that lacks them, though I've never tried booting Windows in such a configuration.
 
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On your Matrox card: It's old stock.

I can download files for it dated back to 2010. It doesn't do OpenGL 3.
I'd expect it to be a sucky piece of crap. They're very shy on performance, or lack thereof. Even Phoronix don't have a test up.

Get a fan. If there's an in-house problem with fans, consider relocating your box, or a decent heatsink (e.g. huge copper thing painted matt black) and good convection. Look for a very low 'C/W' (degrees centigrade per watt) specification and use heatsink paste.

Get the figures, and You can do the sums: If you get a 1.5C/W heatsink, and your gpu uses 30 Watts, your temperature will rise 45 degrees above ambient. That's temperature outside. Make sure your outside of the chip stays below 80C (=176F). That's borderline meltdown for a lot of chips and the thermal stressing ages them prematurely.
 
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Old 02-16-2019, 04:51 PM   #4
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Thanks very much for the info mrmazda and business_kid.

The warning that the Matrox M9128 card was old stock and didn't have open GL was spot on. I had spent some time searching but hadn't noticed that.

I should have mentioned that there are two problems lurking in the background:

1. My existing 8 year old Nvidia CUDA graphic card's GPU does not enhance the performance of my ancient copy of Illustrator (which is way more sophisticated than I need) because it can't utilise the GPU - all the processing power has to come from the MB CPU. I only use this computer in the small business I'm a partner of so I don't need a gaming GPU - and so I guess GPU power is not an issue.

2. There are a lot of people like me that found that all Nvidia and Raedon GPU's actually slowed down old versions of Illustrator (I have physically separate internal system drives, one with Win 7 and one with Mint 19.1. I select which OS using BIOS boot priority because we are only at basic newbie level with command prompt/Linux - we are hoping to move completely over to open source but it is difficult - we use computers as tools and have not got the time to learn Linux at the mo). The issue with Nvidea not working with old versions of Illustrator was an infamous and much reported issue and no fix ever arrived. So I can't risk buying anything with Raedon or Nvidea in it.

If i wanted to chance it I could opt for the new Gigabyte GPU NV RTX2060 because it doesn't have any legacy ports:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MQ9CL..._t3_B07M7PJBG4
This one is passively cooled (except for games), has 3 DisplayPort ports and it doesn't mention Nvidea - but it is expensive and it also doesn't mention Linux drivers.

Going back to the Matrox commercial graphics cards there is one which has 4 DisplayPort ports and offers Linux drivers:
https://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/p...c-series/c420/
As I use 2 monitors and more would be good then this seems to fit the bill - but it is expensive I was hoping that there might be someone who knows of a basic passively cooled graphics card which doesn't have Nvidea or Raedon components and has two DisplayPort ports.

We have a cable with DVI at one end and DisplayPort at the other but suspect that it became defective and would rather just use straight-forward DisplayPort cables.

With regard to passive cooling - I work long hours and at the end of a working day the presence of background noise is unwelcome. The only fan in my i5 PC is the case fan - it necessitates vacuuming the inside of the tower case unit from time to time and I am OK with it's low noise level but don't want any more.

Sorry I didn't give all the background info in my OP.

The prompt responses were great, thank you very much.

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Old 02-16-2019, 09:59 PM   #5
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The issue with Nvidea not working with old versions of Illustrator was an infamous and much reported issue and no fix ever arrived. So I can't risk buying anything with Raedon or Nvidea in it.
Matrox stopped being a major player too long ago to remember. In the FOSS/Gnu/Linux world, there are three major players: AMD, Intel and NVidia. To choose anything else is a gamble that your choice has support in anything more than a driver name, much less respectable performance or future support. More likely any still remaining will become like so many who went before, orphans with respect to current and recent distro versions, unlikely to attract interest from the FOSS driver writing community, and not worth investing any Linux development money to their manufacturers, who now mostly produce low cost alternatives to the big three and couldn't expect payback. PCs as we have known them stopped being a growth market. With AMD & Intel putting GPU and CPU on the same die, and NVidia's refusal to facilitate use of its hardware with development versions of Linux kernel or X, and the trouble its users commonly report installing proprietary drivers and keeping secure, I have my doubts about the future for NVidia outside the Windows gaming community, if anywhere at all.
 
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It strikes me that if you have a modern pc, you'll have an APU, with integrated graphics of some nature, and already have a GPU. If you have a 'trailing edge' pc, with Northbridge & Southbridge, then your cpu sucks anyhow, your ram may be tight, so your GPU requirements may be more modest. You're hardly into high power gaming on an under resourced box. Many cards are available secondhand that may suit. Post the output of 'sudo lspci.'
 
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Thanks for your replies. I will now look for an AMD or Intel graphics card.

BTW we have downloaded a copy of Inkscape which we hope will replace Illustrator ( illustrator will not run on Linux, our attempts at a VM were a failure and we are way too under-skilled to make another attempt ) and so have made another step towards pure open source, but the learning curve is uncertain and the on-screen resolution and fonts are nowhere as good as with Illustrator on Win7. So this will have to be an ongoing project and maybe I'll ask for advice on this forum about that at a later date.

To get back on topic, this is the output of the command 'sudo lspci' :

:~$ sudo lspci
[sudo] password for general-use:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller (rev 09)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200/2nd Generation Core Processor Family PCI Express Root Port (rev 09)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev c4)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 5 (rev c4)
00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c4)
00:1c.6 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 7 (rev c4)
00:1c.7 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 8 (rev c4)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Z77 Express Chipset LPC Controller (rev 04)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 04)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04)
02:00.0 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VL80x xHCI USB 3.0 Controller (rev 03)
03:00.0 PCI bridge: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. Device 8892 (rev 30)
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
06:00.0 SATA controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE9172 SATA 6Gb/s Controller (rev 11)
07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [Quadro NVS 295] (rev a1)

Thanks very much. I think the open source community is an exceptionally good example of what we can be and we will donate again this year.
 
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Two DisplayPorts on a $90 motherboard should satisfy you - no need for a PCIe gfxcard or its cooler. If your displays only have DVI inputs, add two of these. If you can use dual HDMI, then the selection is larger, and still larger if a mix of DisplayPort, DVI, HDMI and maybe even a VGA port is acceptable. I have two of the last, one Asus, one Gigabyte, both of which can a 2560x1440 plus 2560x1080 plus 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 nicely.
 
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Two DisplayPorts on a $90 motherboard should satisfy you - no need for a PCIe gfxcard or its cooler. If your displays only have DVI inputs, add two of these. If you can use dual HDMI, then the selection is larger, and still larger if a mix of DisplayPort, DVI, HDMI and maybe even a VGA port is acceptable. I have two of the last, one Asus, one Gigabyte, both of which can a 2560x1440 plus 2560x1080 plus 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 nicely.
Thanks, I had not considered upgrading the MB (and CPU). It would take more time but it might be a better option.
 
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Seems like you have a 5/6 year old box, like me. Your cpu spec is better than mine. I'm surviving on a sucky HD4000 (Ivy Bridge) Graphics setup. If you're upgrading, watch the wattage of things if you want to keep the fans down.

Otherwise, there doesn't seem a huge reason to upgrade, unless you're gaining something. You've no built-in GPU in that Xeon; But whatever you get will need a bigger fan. The last fan-less board I came across was had a Via C3 (= Somewhere between 486 & Pentium, IIRC)@533 Mhz. Then, of course, Via shot themselves in the foot badly with lousy hardware designs, which they stupidly sold off cheap and got them into every crappy motherboard and multiplied the damage to their brand. They were taken over, IIRC.
 
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Seems like you have a 5/6 year old box, like me. Your cpu spec is better than mine. I'm surviving on a sucky HD4000 (Ivy Bridge) Graphics setup. If you're upgrading, watch the wattage of things if you want to keep the fans down.

Otherwise, there doesn't seem a huge reason to upgrade, unless you're gaining something. You've no built-in GPU in that Xeon; But whatever you get will need a bigger fan. The last fan-less board I came across was had a Via C3 (= Somewhere between 486 & Pentium, IIRC)@533 Mhz. Then, of course, Via shot themselves in the foot badly with lousy hardware designs, which they stupidly sold off cheap and got them into every crappy motherboard and multiplied the damage to their brand. They were taken over, IIRC.
Thanks for having a look.
We started with 600w power supplies (Enermax MODU87) but some failed and were replaced with 400w Nofan P-400 which haven't (yet) failed. I'll need to remember the 400w parameter going forward.
There is a massive non-fan heatsink stuck on the CPU in the workstation machines. I have nothing to do with the PC we use as a sever but that is a noisy one and has several fans in it. Other than the server the biggest CPU tasks are with graphic design in the few cases where images have been embedded in the files, and with photo processing. Otherwise and for the most part our work has a low CPU requirement - it's our brains that overheat!

Thanks very much for your help mrmazda and business_kid.
 
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If you're into workstations and servers, you're not doint that where your babies are sleeping, I presume?

If you're not at the Antarctic, buy a @&%! fan!. Problem solved. You already have several psu fans, and cpu fans.
 
  


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