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Old 05-06-2003, 06:36 AM   #1
Ju Deddo Koinu
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NVIDIA problem


Well, I decided to try and upgrade my video card. I had a stable RedHat system up and running, and wanted a little better video performance. Stupidly, I didn't take the "supported hardware" list with me to the store. I went to Fry's Electronics, and asked a sales rep there what he recommended that I use for a Linux box. He said he knew a little about Linux, and that the NVIDIA chipsets were mostly supported (better than the other chipsets, he said). So, he handed me a box ($100) and I said that I would try it out. I bought:

PNY Verto GeForce FX 5200 PCI 128MB w/ Dual VGA and S-Video.

I'm not too concerned with the tv-out or the dual headed video, though those features would be nice to have. I got home and installed the video card with no problems at all. Then I booted up... I went to my BIOS and told it not to use the integrated video device, and to instead use the PCI card, then restarted. I'm using the GRUB boot manager, and it's screen loaded fine - with my Linux kernel and my XP Pro options listed as normal. I chose my Linux install, because that is what I wanted the card for in the first place.

Ever since I first installed Linux, at this point, the logon prompt would display, then about a second later, the screen would click over to the resolution desired by the xserver and I would have my graphical login available. This time, it clicked, remained black, then clicked twice more, and dropped me back at my text logon. About a second later, it clicked back to the black screen, clicked twice more and back to the text logon. This continued for several minutes, and I had had experiences in the past with something similar on RH9 (when i first installed it), when it couldn't determine my video card's resolutions. It eventually (back then) went to the blue text screen that asked me if i wanted to view debugging info about the server's errors, and then would usually go into a default video mode so I could change my resolution and probe my card/setup my monitor. This always occured after only a few clicks. This time, I left it running for a good 15 minutes (with the monitor turned off - I played some video game console games to pass the time). I turned the monitor back on, and it was still clicking back and forth from the text logon to the graphical logon.

At this point, I assumed that it wasn't going to work, so I tried the Ctrl-Alt-F# keys... I remembered being able to swich to different virtual terminals, or whatever they are called by doing this. Still click-click-click... It wouldn't switch over for me at all. So, I tried the Ctrl-Alt-Bksp to 'kill the x-server'. This didn't do what I thought it was going to at all - it actually rebooted the entire computer!

So, I turned the system off completly and took the card out of my computer. I turned the computer on and went back to the BIOS and made sure my onboard video was on, default, and the settings were correct (it shares system memory). Booted up, and the GRUB screen was very dark. I paid no attention, and selected my Linux kernel from the boot manager. When the logon screen finally came up, the same click-click-click continued which shouldn't have happened, because I switched back to my original video card.

I should note here that as I'm installing/uninstalling cards, RH9 has an automatic detection/installation for new devices during the time it is starting everything, after GRUB, and before the logon. It's detections were correct.

Nothing was working at all, and so I rebooted to my rescue disk, but to no avail. However, booting to this rescue disk caused a green "mute speaker" image to be displayed on my monitor's lower left corner. I'm using a Dell 1025 (17" Trinitron). I've never seen it before, especially since my monitor does not have speakers or even the ability to hook them up to it. So, I attempt to access the OSD of the monitor with the Menu Button on it's front panel... Everything was garbled in the OSD (it was half in japanese and half in german, when normally, it was in English), and I could only select 2 options - the OSD security option and the exit option. Inside the security option, I could only select "exit", and it's screen was garbled as well.

More click-click-click goes on, and I reboot again. This time, booting to XP Pro It loads fine, and so, I shut down completely, install the GeForce card and boot to windows again, and everything is fine (My monitor is really dark and fuzzy at this point, and the OSD is still garbled - I have tried turning it on and off, unplugging it for a long time... all to no avail).

I switched monitors to a 15" I had spare, and tried Linux one last time with each video card, both failed to boot or let me get into Linux to even examine the xf86config file Still click click click text click click click on and on.

I did, in the process, attempt to use each of the three heads available, and even the s-video output in an attempt to determine if it was trying to put the display on some other output source, but nothing has worked. I've lost my good monitor, too it seems and the card doesn't appear to work under Linux at all...

What are my options? Can I ever boot to my Linux kernel? Even in text mode? Is this a normal situation? Should I exchange the card for something that RH might support better? I'm disappointed and worried I may have lost my RH installation.
 
Old 05-06-2003, 10:03 AM   #2
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Go here:
ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Li...363/README.txt

Read Appendix A. See if your card is supported. ( I think it is ).
Then download the driver for redhat 9 and your kernel (there is one available for both rh9 kernels) and make it work. Follow the instructions at the top of that readme file, specifically about editing the xfree86 config file.
 
Old 05-06-2003, 11:17 AM   #3
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But see....

I can not even get Linux to boot so I can install drivers or modify my xfree setup...
 
Old 05-06-2003, 11:18 AM   #4
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It gets to the logon prompt, but I can do nothing because it is trying to load the x-server, and will not stop or allow me to change to a virtual terminal that is text based
 
Old 05-06-2003, 12:51 PM   #5
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Oppps forgot to tell you, go into single user mode:
when you get to the GRUB loader, hit X or whatever and type 'linux s' to get into single user mode. once you get in there, go into run level 3 to get your networking and all that stuff without X. then you can use lynx or wget or whatever to download your drivers.
 
Old 05-06-2003, 04:20 PM   #6
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Okay, I got into single user mode, used lynx to get the drivers, but when I tried to download them... lynx gave me an error saying "unable to write file".

Frustrated, I gave up for now. I took the card back to the store, and got a copy of RedHat on CD (I downloaded my current install) and the rest of my money back.

Something made me decide to do this. As I was standing in line at Fry's, waiting for someone to assist me with my return, I realized that it shouldn't be the video card that was causing my problems to begin with. None of my other video cards would boot Linux's graphical x-windows either. It had to be software related.

So, after returning the card (I would have loved the extra video ram), I decided to pick up a copy of RH on CD to reinstall it on my drive (while preserving data). I would have just done so at home without the CD's, but I had long since deleted the iso images I had downloaded. To prevent this from re-occuring, I also picked up a CD burner so next time I have to download an iso or install files, I can just burn them myself. I also like RH enough to support their work by purchasing a copy

Well, I'm on my backup computer typing this, while my RH box is reinstalling itself. I'll post what happens after it is done.

I'm hoping that by reinstalling it (mainly reinstalling the xserver), it will cure my problems.

Also... when I booted single user mode, another thing caught my eye. It still clicked in and out of text mode, and I had only a couple of seconds every 10 seconds to type my login - this took forever to type an un-echoed 15 character password After logging in, the clicking continued, and I tried all kinds of things to get it to stop. I FOUND OUT WHAT TO DO TO MAKE IT STOP.

I just tried to start the x-server 'startx' from the prompt... It tried to start, and of course failed, and it gave me no more clicking.

The failed x-server's dump didn't say much, except that "unable to load <don't remember> font" But there were no other errors. I'm thinking that maybe somehow this font file became corrupted... or disappeared somehow??

And how does all this explain what happened to my monitor? That bugs me more than anything at the moment, because of how strange that is. Well, back to attend my RH Install.

Thanks for the advice, it actually got me into my system. I'll post again shortly as to the outcome of my attempted fix.
 
Old 05-06-2003, 07:13 PM   #7
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Well, lynx gave you that error because you didnt have write access to the directory you were in.
 
Old 05-06-2003, 10:15 PM   #8
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Okay, the reinstall went off without a hitch. Everything is back to normal now, and I'm fairly happy with the results (things work now). I suppose I'll try upgrading the video at a later time.
 
Old 05-06-2003, 10:41 PM   #9
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The reason why you couldn't get the drivers was b/c in a single user mode the filesystem is mounted read-only you need to remount it with rw access
/sbin/mount -w -v -n -o remount /
this will remount / partition in rw mode
 
Old 05-07-2003, 08:57 AM   #10
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I think my instructions said to switch to runlevel 3 which remounts the fs as rw and starts up networking.
 
  


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