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08-25-2021, 12:08 PM
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#16
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Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2010
Location: California, USA
Distribution: I run my own OS
Posts: 1,055
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Quote:
Originally Posted by obobskivich
I agree with this summary, but have to ask 'why do you say this?' to the bolded section. Do you mean for modern RDNA support?
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A recent card will need the kernel driver, firmware, X, and Mesa.
There are a lot of threads where people install old distros and complain that their graphics cards do not work because they are missing one or more of the above.
Ed
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08-25-2021, 12:28 PM
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#17
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Member
Registered: Jun 2020
Posts: 609
Rep: 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EdGr
A recent card will need the kernel driver, firmware, X, and Mesa.
There are a lot of threads where people install old distros and complain that their graphics cards do not work because they are missing one or more of the above.
Ed
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Right - so 'yes' to my question. But you don't need an RDNA-era card for a functional desktop (the OP says that 3D acceleration is not a big requirement), and given that they're largely unbuyable for many people that's not a viable option either, whereas older cards will still work, and won't require as new of a distro (not that it seems to be a debate here, but just for clarification).
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08-25-2021, 03:59 PM
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#18
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LQ Guru
Registered: Aug 2016
Location: SE USA
Distribution: openSUSE 24/7; Debian, Knoppix, Mageia, Fedora, OS/2, others
Posts: 6,346
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Old NVidias work just fine with FOSS drivers and openSUSE 15.3
Code:
# inxi -Sy
System:
Host: hp945 Kernel: 5.3.18-59.19-default x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE 3
Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3
# inxi -Gay
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau
v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0a65
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
alternate: nouveau,nv,nvidia display ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x2400 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 406x508mm (16.0x20.0")
s-diag: 650mm (25.6")
Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 82
size: 598x336mm (23.5x13.2") diag: 686mm (27")
Monitor-2: HDMI-1 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 size: 519x324mm (20.4x12.8")
diag: 612mm (24.1")
OpenGL: renderer: NVA8 v: 3.3 Mesa 20.2.4 direct render: Yes
Code:
# inxi -Sy
System:
Host: big41 Kernel: 5.3.18-59.19-default x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE 3.5.10
Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3
# inxi -Gay
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] vendor: XFX Pine driver: nouveau
v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0402 class-ID: 0300
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: nouveau,nv,nvidia display-ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 2560x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 541x558mm (21.3x22.0")
s-diag: 777mm (30.6")
Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109
size: 598x336mm (23.5x13.2") diag: 686mm (27")
Monitor-2: DVI-I-2 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94
size: 519x324mm (20.4x12.8") diag: 612mm (24.1")
OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 128 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.2.4
compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes
Code:
# inxi -Sy
System:
Host: ga970 Kernel: 5.3.18-59.16-default x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.18.6 Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3
# inxi -Gay
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 630] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nouveau
v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0f00 class-ID: 0300
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: nouveau,nv,nvidia
display-ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 2560x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 541x558mm (21.3x22.0")
s-diag: 777mm (30.6")
Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109
size: 598x336mm (23.5x13.2") diag: 686mm (27")
Monitor-2: HDMI-1 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 size: 519x324mm (20.4x12.8")
diag: 612mm (24.1")
OpenGL: renderer: NVC1 v: 4.3 Mesa 20.2.4 direct render: Yes
Code:
# inxi -Sy
System:
Host: g5eas Kernel: 5.3.18-59.16-default x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: Trinity R14.0.10 Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3
# inxi -Gay
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA G98 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 2] vendor: PNY driver: nouveau
v: kernel bus-ID: 0b:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:06e4 class-ID: 0300
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa alternate: nouveau,nv,nvidia display-ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x254mm (30.0x10.0")
s-diag: 803mm (31.6")
Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94
size: 519x324mm (20.4x12.8") diag: 612mm (24.1")
Monitor-2: VGA-1 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 size: 474x296mm (18.7x11.7")
diag: 559mm (22")
OpenGL: renderer: NV98 v: 3.3 Mesa 20.2.4 direct render: Yes
Code:
# inxi -Sy
System:
Host: p5bse Kernel: 5.3.18-59.19-default x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE 3.5.10
Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3
# inxi -Gay
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GF119 [NVS 310] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: nouveau
v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:107d class-ID: 0300
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: loaded: modesetting display-ID: :0
screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 2560x2520 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 541x533mm (21.3x21.0")
s-diag: 759mm (29.9")
Monitor-1: DP-1 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 size: 598x336mm (23.5x13.2")
diag: 686mm (27")
Monitor-2: DP-2 res: 2560x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 97 size: 673x284mm (26.5x11.2")
diag: 730mm (28.8")
OpenGL: renderer: NVD9 v: 4.3 Mesa 20.2.4 direct render: Yes
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08-26-2021, 11:35 AM
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#19
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 25
Original Poster
Rep: 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmazda
Depending on what NVidia card you have, you probably have absolutely no need of a new graphics card.
Nouveau is a name with multiple meanings. Read here about this.
I'm using NVidia cards with openSUSE 15.3 on about 5 different PCs just fine. Nouveau is only needed for KMS services by the kernel. Each kernel comes with a nouveau module that is fully supported.
The nouveau you got the misleading message about is applicable to Xorg and Wayland, which depend on KMS. That message is an unfortunate result of licensing and NVidia policy. Almost certainly it is of no consequence to your PC.
So, we need to know which card you have, and exactly where installation is going wrong. What are you able to do, and what stops you from proceeding, if you have not been able to install an openSUSE 15.3 system.
Have you successfully installed the OS only to find KDE, Gnome, XFCE, Cinnamon, LxQT, Xorg or Wayland functioning poorly, failing to provide support for certain apps? Which apps? If you have an installed system we need information about it:
Code:
cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | susepaste
inxi -GSay
sudo journalctl -b | susepaste
sudo dmesg |susepast
The inxi, Mesa-demo-x and xdpyinfo commands may not be installed. If not, install them with zypper or YaST before copying inxi output and the susepaste URLs here.
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OK. Here is what I have for you:
mark:~ # inxi -GSay 120
System: Host: mark Kernel: 5.3.18-lp152.87-default x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.3.18-lp152.87-default root=UUID=f9ab063b-3ab5-48de-b142-7cba2f2ff046
resume=/dev/sda2 splash=silent quiet showopts
Console: tty 3 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.2
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: N/A bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1381
Display: server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: nouveau,nv FAILED: nvidia
unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa display ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x286mm (20.0x11.3") s-diag: 583mm (23")
Monitor-1: default res: 1920x1080 hz: 77
OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 7.0 256 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.2 compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes
mark:~ # cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | susepaste
Pasted as:
https://susepaste.org/42256614
https://paste.opensuse.org/42256614
Link is also in your clipboard.
mark:~ # journalctl -b | susepaste
Pasted as:
https://susepaste.org/87473876
https://paste.opensuse.org/87473876
Link is also in your clipboard.
mark:~ # dmesg | susepaste
Pasted as:
https://susepaste.org/26510693
https://paste.opensuse.org/26510693
Link is also in your clipboard.
The running system is OpenSUSE Leap 15.2. I installed 15.3 on a separate, new HDD, and had that drive as the only HDD in the system when I was trying to get it going.
Sorry for the delay,
Mark
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08-26-2021, 01:10 PM
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#20
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LQ Guru
Registered: Aug 2016
Location: SE USA
Distribution: openSUSE 24/7; Debian, Knoppix, Mageia, Fedora, OS/2, others
Posts: 6,346
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neidorff
Code:
mark:~ # inxi -GSay 120
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: N/A
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Neither the nouveau nor the NVidia kernel driver loaded. That's terrible. This forces use of fallback driver FBDEV, which severly limits X functionality.
Quote:
Code:
Display: server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: nouveau,nv FAILED: nvidia
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This line is missing "loaded" following "driver:" and "unloaded" preceding "nouveau". 15.2 ships inxi version 3.1.00, which is broken here. It should read:
Code:
Display: server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: loaded: N/A unloaded: nouveau,nv FAILED: nvidia
Before using inxi again, please run inxi -U to upgrade it to the current version from its author.
The N/As result from either a failed proprietary NVidia driver installation re current kernel, or incomplete removal. First, decide whether to try to fix the NVidia driver, or remove it successfully. To install it, follow the instructions that came with its installation package. I can't give you details, because I never install it.
To remove it, first try to run the NVidia installer in removal mode. Alternatively, remove any files that blacklist nouveau from /etc/modprobe.d/. Next, if /etc/X11/xorg.conf exists, remove it. Also remove any files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that affect graphics. Such files might specify use of nvidia driver or specify screen mode among other things not involving input devices or output devices. Next, inspect /etc/default/grub for either nomodeset or nouveau.modeset=0 and if found, remove. Also look for either of those strings in /boot/grub2/grub.cfg. If you find them, remove them. Then run sudo zypper in -f libglvnd. At this point you can try rebooting, but you may need to also rebuild your initrd with dracut -f or mkinitrd and/or run grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg before X will work properly with either the nouveau DDX driver (if installed) or the modesetting DIX driver (default, the only driver I used for producing post #18).
Or skip it all, put the new HDD back in, take the old HDD out, and get 15.3 installed on the new HDD before reattaching the old to recover personal data. I can't see anything you've posted here that would prevent successful installation of 15.3.
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08-26-2021, 05:28 PM
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#21
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LQ Newbie
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 25
Original Poster
Rep: 
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Easy enough for me to do again. I'll give it another try.
Thank you,
Mark
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08-30-2021, 07:01 AM
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#22
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Senior Member
Registered: Apr 2009
Distribution: All OS except Apple
Posts: 1,591
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidMcCann
That motherboard works on a plug-&-play basis — if it finds an Nvidia card, it will use it. Try unplugging the card and booting up the live Linux to see if it runs. Commercial PC have such cards because they cater to gamers. I've never had any sort of video card in a desktop — in the old days the Northbridge was good enough, now I rely on AMD's APU.
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Back in the day the IGP was on-board, now it's on chip. Imaging how many millions you could save by simply omitting the interface between the IGP and the Monitor.
Probably need to buy it separately now, in the form of a PCIe card. Jack the price sky high and force you to pay more after purchase to have the dual graphics we all had "standard" back in the day.
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