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Old 12-12-2007, 04:15 PM   #1
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Mixing IDE and SATA


I recently purchased a new case with an installed GigaByte GA-M61SME-S2 mother board. For the curious, my old mother board maxed out at 256M of memory and the case had to be sacrificed also.
I transferred the one IDE CD and one IDE hdd to the new architecture. The old, discarded mother board had two IDE slots and, of course, no SATA slots. The new mother board has only one IDE bus and two SATA buses.
I had two IDE hdd's and obviously could only transfer one of them since the CD also had to be on the IDE bus.
I have never worked with a SATA device and this prompts my question.
Can I set the IDE drive as the primary drive and then identify a SATA drive as the secondary? Recall you can do this with two IDE drives on the same bus by setting jumpers. But, I have no clue if this would even work across two separate IDE buses.
Please help me. A definite, "It cannot work", is an acceptable answer. Then I wont be chasing expensive windmills.

Many Thanks
 
Old 12-12-2007, 04:52 PM   #2
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I recently purchased a new case with an installed GigaByte GA-M61SME-S2 mother board. For the curious, my old mother board maxed out at 256M of memory and the case had to be sacrificed also.
I transferred the one IDE CD and one IDE hdd to the new architecture. The old, discarded mother board had two IDE slots and, of course, no SATA slots. The new mother board has only one IDE bus and two SATA buses.
I had two IDE hdd's and obviously could only transfer one of them since the CD also had to be on the IDE bus.
I have never worked with a SATA device and this prompts my question.
Can I set the IDE drive as the primary drive and then identify a SATA drive as the secondary? Recall you can do this with two IDE drives on the same bus by setting jumpers. But, I have no clue if this would even work across two separate IDE buses.
Please help me. A definite, "It cannot work", is an acceptable answer. Then I wont be chasing expensive windmills.

Many Thanks
I think that an IDE drive will only work on a SATA bus if you attach an IDE-SATA converter.

http://www.linuxtopia.org/HowToGuide...converter.html

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Old 12-12-2007, 07:19 PM   #3
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All you need to do is set the ide to master, cdrom to slave, and go into the bios to tell the machine what to boot to. It should allow you to select the desired boot order to go to ide, sata1, sata2, ect. Get into the bios, and the rest should make sense if you dig around a bit. Dont be afraid of breaking it, you can always reset the bios if needed.
 
Old 12-12-2007, 07:42 PM   #4
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I had a similar issue. Set the devices on the IDE as you always do, either both as Cable Select, with an 80-wire cable, or as Primary and Slave. A native SATA drive doesn't use this concept, so there's nothing to set. And, as jailbait pointed out, if you want to use your old IDE drive on a SATA port, they buy a converter.

You'll find the IDE devices get loaded as /dev/hd* and the SATA as /dev/sd*

Cheers.

Last edited by MQMan; 12-12-2007 at 07:45 PM.
 
Old 12-12-2007, 08:58 PM   #5
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You'll find the IDE devices get loaded as /dev/hd* and the SATA as /dev/sd*
Not on recent kernels - should be all sd* now.
 
Old 12-13-2007, 12:13 PM   #6
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Firstly, ooooops. My comment should have read "SATA as /dev/sr*", not sd*

Now, define "recent". I'm using 2.6.21.5, and my IDE drives show up as /dev/hda and /dev/hdb, my RAID card as /dev/sda, and my SATA CDROM as /dev/sr0

Cheers.
 
Old 12-13-2007, 01:52 PM   #7
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I believe I know which direction I need to go now. I will attach one IDE hdd as the primary, one IDE cd as the secondary on the IDE bus. I will then purchase a 320G SATA drive and attach it to the SATA1 bus.

As for the backup question. I am too big a coward to play loose with data. I have two separate linux platforms plus a separate windows platform. After all, its still cheaper than golf.

When I upgrade linux, I make one platform my working platform and do a new install on the other. There is a real danger that the working platform may crash before I can bring the other up and replicate the data. I just hope that possibility is as small as I think it is.

I never try to upgrade the windows platform. After 25 years of UNIX and Informix RDBMS experience I am still pretty much windows illiterate. My primary use for windows is Microsoft Money, pictures and pdf which windows does a good job on.

If you are still reading at this point, you must be retired also.

Thanks again for the responses.
 
Old 12-13-2007, 05:50 PM   #8
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define "recent". I'm using 2.6.21.5, and my IDE drives show up as /dev/hda and /dev/hdb
Your kernel or Pats ???.
The new libata support shipped in 2.6.19 - the old code (which you're apparently using) will no longer be developed. Presumably it will be purged from the mainline code at some point.
 
Old 12-14-2007, 12:33 PM   #9
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Dear syg00,

The current kernel is 2.6.9-43.EL. The distribution is Centos 4.3. Of course I intend to upgrade soon. Most likely to the latest stable version of Fedora.

Thanks,
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:59 PM   #10
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Your kernel or Pats ???.
Pat's, which is pure and unmodified.

Cheers.
 
Old 12-14-2007, 07:46 PM   #11
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bking321

Be aware that Fedora's support life is now only about 1 year. After that there are no more updates and the 3rd party repos drop like flies. You may want to consider Centos 5.1. It is RedHat el 5.1 with the logos removed(free to download). It has a 5 year support life.

Good Luck
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:00 AM   #12
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SATA is a point to point interface which means there is no jumpers to set. Although SATA-II, second generation of SATA, based controllers may have some problems when using a port multiplier. I suggest specify a label while formatting the partition before putting data on the SATA. Since SATA is a SCSI to Linux, drives tends to get out of order upon boot up, so using labels will keep your sanity. Mounting SCSI or SATA based on labels makes it a lot easier. Though I have not yet used SATA or SCSI, but I did use IDE with labels and it made it easier to use the drive in another system.

I prefer people use Gentoo because it does not have a version problem like other distributions. Though programs gets stale if users do not keep up with world updates, but there are utilities to fix those stale programs too.
 
  


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