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01-06-2022, 05:44 PM
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LQ Veteran
Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Waaaaay out West Texas
Distribution: antiX 23, MX 23
Posts: 7,296
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Been ages since I was a puppy user.
You ran lmsensors earlier right?
Type sensors and see for yourself.
I am on my Chromebook now. I ran lmsensors and also installed acpitool on this unit.
Code:
harry@biker:~
$ acpitool -f
Fan : <not available>
harry@biker:~
$ sensors
acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1: +44.0°C (crit = +100.0°C)
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0: +44.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1: +43.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Everything I am showing you can be done in Puppy. It just takes some investigation by you . At least that is how I rolled when I was a puppy user.
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1 members found this post helpful.
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01-06-2022, 05:52 PM
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#32
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Distribution: SuSE, RedHat, Slack,CentOS
Posts: 27,712
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASlinux
Quote me over and over again.
I sense cantankerous gay shit, cyberbullying, and various racist strains.
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And we see someone whose thread has just been reported, who can't ask a clear question or follow advice, no matter how many times they're asked.
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I've been at Internet communication a long time, so it doesn't affect me much, but it does make me think about who's at the top, i.e., do site admins and payers prefer hostile environments for dumber and less informative cultures?
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"Dumber" being the operative word here, since you've been told the answers to your 'question' over and over again, but it's just not sinking in.
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If you work in the advanced Western cultures where the Internet is created, it's not even legal, and when it happens, it's a liability for companies. It's not productive.
As everyone knows in real life, if you're offering useful advice for free, you're not going to dwell on the fact that it's not taken, unless you're really up to something else.
And you do things because you're paid for it. If it doesn't work, and it's your responsiblity, it will come back at you. Open source mobbing and digital harrangues are not challenging or motivating but more pathetic. Unwarranted criticism is worse than nothing.
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Right; in this thread, it's very warranted since it's now on three pages, where you just aren't understanding or ignoring what you're being told. Grow up.
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01-06-2022, 06:23 PM
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#33
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Member
Registered: Oct 2020
Posts: 399
Original Poster
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rokytnji
Been ages since I was a puppy user.
You ran lmsensors earlier right?
Type sensors and see for yourself.
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Yes I did, but exactly which packages make sensors work and where they are is not readily apparent to me.
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01-06-2022, 07:10 PM
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#34
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Distribution: SuSE, RedHat, Slack,CentOS
Posts: 27,712
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASlinux
Yes I did, but exactly which packages make sensors work and where they are is not readily apparent to me.
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So post number 7 that has a link with step by step intructions (with pictures) doesn't give you any clues???
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01-06-2022, 07:48 PM
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#35
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Member
Registered: Oct 2020
Posts: 399
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TB0ne
So post number 7 that has a link with step by step intructions (with pictures) doesn't give you any clues???
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Ubuntu can monitor CPU and other system temperatures, fan speeds, and voltages via command line, using the package lm-sensors, or via GUI applets in your desktop.
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
If you read my posts, lm-sensors was installed and I included the output. A plain sensors command does not run. That is your link.
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01-07-2022, 01:22 AM
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#36
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LQ Addict
Registered: Mar 2012
Location: Hungary
Distribution: debian/ubuntu/suse ...
Posts: 24,318
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASlinux
Yes I did, but exactly which packages make sensors work and where they are is not readily apparent to me.
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on ubuntu the package lm-sensors contains the binary /usr/bin/sensors
Let's try to [re]install it.
Last edited by pan64; 01-07-2022 at 05:23 AM.
Reason: typo
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01-07-2022, 04:55 AM
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#37
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Senior Member
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,727
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Originally Posted by JASlinux
This linuxhint page: https://linuxhint.com/check-cpu-temperature-linux/
reads to install lm-sensors and hddtemp which I did. These are the results:
[code]root# sensors-detect
# sensors-detect revision 6170 (2013-05-20 21:25:22 +0200)
# System: Dell Inc. ME051 (laptop)
# Board: Dell Inc. 0GD366
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This is a mid 2000s, Windows XP era computer, which from a quick search has either an Intel Pentium M 1.80GHz or Intel Celeron M 1.4GHz (and maybe other variants).
Out of the box, I believe it comes with 2GB of RAM.
You could provide the exact specs.
Either way it's 2005 x86_32, single core, cheap hardware, it was seriously "low end" back then, 16 or so years later - it's even more so. Increased system load is why your CPU fan is throttling up constantly - that won't change.
Performance wise, that hardware is probably on a par, or likely worse, than the Atom based netbooks which came a few years later - and from experience with those, I can assure you that they're not worth the trouble. For any kind of modern web browsing, they're next to useless.
Give up.
//edit: Does this post apply to the same relic?
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...3/#post6294638
If so, you seem to have an entirely self inflicted set of problems, which you're asking others to provide solutions for... you need newer hardware.
Last edited by cynwulf; 01-07-2022 at 06:27 AM.
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01-07-2022, 04:59 AM
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#38
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LQ Addict
Registered: Dec 2013
Posts: 19,872
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASlinux
Quote me over and over again.
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I've been at Internet communication a long time, so it doesn't affect me much, but it does make me think about who's at the top, i.e., do site admins and payers prefer hostile environments for dumber and less informative cultures?
If you work in the advanced Western cultures where the Internet is created, it's not even legal, and when it happens, it's a liability for companies. It's not productive.
As everyone knows in real life, if you're offering useful advice for free, you're not going to dwell on the fact that it's not taken, unless you're really up to something else.
And you do things because you're paid for it. If it doesn't work, and it's your responsiblity, it will come back at you.
Open source mobbing and digital harrangues are not challenging or motivating but more pathetic.
Unwarranted criticism is worse than nothing.
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This has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand, is insulting to other members - not only the words you used but the whole idea that people who don't hold your hand & feed you fish might have some sort of combined, secret agenda... that is, if I understand correctly. It seems confused.
Last edited by ondoho; 01-07-2022 at 05:51 AM.
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1 members found this post helpful.
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01-07-2022, 07:45 AM
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#39
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Distribution: SuSE, RedHat, Slack,CentOS
Posts: 27,712
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cynwulf
This is a mid 2000s, Windows XP era computer, which from a quick search has either an Intel Pentium M 1.80GHz or Intel Celeron M 1.4GHz (and maybe other variants).
Out of the box, I believe it comes with 2GB of RAM.You could provide the exact specs.
Either way it's 2005 x86_32, single core, cheap hardware, it was seriously "low end" back then, 16 or so years later - it's even more so. Increased system load is why your CPU fan is throttling up constantly - that won't change.
Performance wise, that hardware is probably on a par, or likely worse, than the Atom based netbooks which came a few years later - and from experience with those, I can assure you that they're not worth the trouble. For any kind of modern web browsing, they're next to useless.
Give up.
//edit: Does this post apply to the same relic?
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...3/#post6294638
If so, you seem to have an entirely self inflicted set of problems, which you're asking others to provide solutions for... you need newer hardware.
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Yep...the OP has been told this several times before. Can't figure out why they just don't get the fact that running modern programs on old hardware is going to ramp up CPU load which will make the fans run harder. Seems very obvious, but it's three pages of them wanting to understand 'why', and not listening.
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01-07-2022, 07:47 AM
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#40
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Distribution: SuSE, RedHat, Slack,CentOS
Posts: 27,712
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASlinux
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Very good...did you actually *UNDERSTAND* what the results of that were??? Did you pay attention to the fact that, when you followed the instructions they told you they COULD NOT FIND ANY SENSORS????
Do you not think that would be an excellent reason for the sensors command not to work?? Especially on a 16 year old machine??
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01-07-2022, 11:43 AM
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#41
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LQ Guru
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Canada
Distribution: distro hopper
Posts: 11,352
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Take that machine to an aftermarket service shop (they're everywhere where I live) and have them a) change the thermal paste, b) clean it internally with canned air.
You probably haven't changed the thermal paste, ever. At this point, it's expired.
Last edited by dugan; 01-07-2022 at 11:47 AM.
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01-07-2022, 11:56 AM
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#42
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Distribution: SuSE, RedHat, Slack,CentOS
Posts: 27,712
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dugan
Take that machine to an aftermarket service shop (they're everywhere where I live) and have them a) change the thermal paste, b) clean it internally with canned air. You probably haven't changed the thermal paste, ever. At this point, it's expired.
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Been suggested to the OP numerous times. Good luck.
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01-07-2022, 12:22 PM
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#43
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Member
Registered: Nov 2012
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 37
Rep: 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASlinux
This is an older 32-bit machine on an Ubuntu derivative.
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Hello,
I have an even older 32-bit laptop that I still re-install Slackware on, just to see if it still works and to see what doesn't. As other users have mentioned, conducting a thorough cleaning of the inside for dust is a good idea (especially if it was gifted to you, or has been exposed to open air for a long time). Adding a drop of oil to the CPU bearing may help make it a little quieter, I always do this with my regular-use systems when I need to clean them.
Thermal derived fan spikes are normal for these machines, they use less power efficient designs and are resource constricted by today's standards. Any large GUI application (e.g. word processor, web browser, multimedia player) is going to spike the CPU on startup and keep it that way for sustained processing, like watching a video or visiting a website making heavy use of javascript. With a laptop of that era, you'll find the modern Web not very usable for popular websites, unless you install script blocking plugins or only visit websites that are javascript optional, using a web browser like Dillo, Netsurf, or similar. Another thing to remember, a modern OS is inherently more resource demanding than an OS from when the laptop was new. Linux 2.6.x vs Linux 5.x, it is a bit different. I'm going to make up some numbers here, but they should get the point across. A modern Linux distribution could require 40% of the old systems resources at idle, whereas the old OS could be something like 10%. So not only did the modern OS take up more resources at idle, you have less resources to run modern programs than when the old hardware was new.
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01-08-2022, 09:45 AM
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#44
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LQ Guru
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Canada
Distribution: distro hopper
Posts: 11,352
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Quote:
Originally Posted by enigma9o7
I don't think anyone has answered the question in the topic tho, and I'm curious too, my fan also speeds up when system is hot. Does BIOS control the fan speed, or is it the OS?
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It's hardcoded into the motherboard hardware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comput...ntrol#Hardware
It wouldn't be entirely dependent on the OS, obviously; that would allow a bug in the OS to completely destroy the machine.
Last edited by dugan; 01-08-2022 at 09:46 AM.
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01-08-2022, 10:54 AM
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#45
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Member
Registered: Jul 2017
Location: King's Lynn, UK
Distribution: Nowt but Puppies....
Posts: 660
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rokytnji
I now bow to Mike Walsh who is the puppy expert here.
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Thanks, Rok! You're ALL heart....
There are those who will take advice. And then there are those who just want to chatter about it...
So who do we devote time to?
(*shrug*)
Mike. 
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